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One thing to consider is that your paycheck might have had other irregular factors that affected withholding. Did you get any bonuses or commission in that paycheck with zero federal tax? Sometimes those can be taxed differently and mess up the calculations. Also, if your pay periods aren't consistent (like if you get paid bi-weekly vs. semi-monthly), that can sometimes cause weird withholding amounts. I'd wait to see what happens with your next normal paycheck before making changes. If it shows zero federal withholding again, then definitely update your W-4 with additional withholding.
From what you described, you need to adjust your W-4 ASAP. With a $72k salary and a non-working spouse, even with two dependents, you'll definitely owe federal taxes. The Child Tax Credit helps but doesn't eliminate your tax liability. I'd recommend adding a fixed dollar amount to line 4(c) on a new W-4. For your income level, probably around $150-200 per paycheck would be appropriate. You could also check the box for "higher tax rates" in step 2 if you want to be extra cautious. The worst thing is to reach April 2025 and suddenly owe thousands in taxes plus potential underpayment penalties.
One thing to consider that nobody's mentioned yet - with a multi-member LLC, you'll need to have a solid operating agreement that specifies how profits, losses, and responsibilities are shared. This is especially important in family businesses to avoid issues down the road. Also, keep in mind that multi-member LLCs file as partnerships by default which means more complex tax filing (Form 1065 + Schedule K-1s) compared to a single-member LLC. The paperwork is definitely more involved. If your dad isn't going to be actively involved in the business, you might want to consider just keeping it as a single-member LLC (simpler) and finding other ways to legitimately compensate him for any actual work he does (consultant fees, etc.).
Thanks for bringing up the operating agreement! Would you recommend having a lawyer draft it or are those online templates good enough for a small family business? And if I go the route of paying my dad as a consultant, would that still give him access to deductions for things like home office or business travel?
For a small family business, you can start with an online template as long as you customize it to your specific situation. However, having a lawyer review it once you've drafted it is always a good idea. This middle-ground approach saves money while still getting professional oversight. If your dad works as a consultant, he could form his own single-member LLC and then deduct legitimate business expenses like home office, travel, supplies, etc. on his Schedule C. This approach keeps your businesses separate but allows both of you to take appropriate deductions. The key is that any consulting work must be legitimate and at market rates - the IRS looks closely at family transactions to ensure they're not just for tax purposes.
I did exactly what you're considering - started a business and included my brother for tax advantages. We went with the multi-member LLC but soon regretted it because: 1) Had to file partnership returns which were way more complicated than I expected 2) Splitting profits fairly became an issue when he wasn't doing equal work 3) Couldn't make business decisions quickly because we needed mutual agreement We ended up dissolving that and forming separate single-member LLCs instead. Now I hire his LLC for specific services when needed. Much cleaner arrangement. Whatever you decide, seriously consider the practical business relationship aspects, not just the tax benefits!
Not sure if this helps, but I had a similar situation a few years back. The key thing I learned is that certified mail gives you proof of MAILING, but not proof of what was INSIDE the envelope. The IRS sometimes argues that even though the envelope was timely, the return inside wasn't complete. Did your denial letter mention anything specific about the contents of your return being incomplete? Sometimes they use that as a technicality. If they're only disputing the mailing date, you have a much stronger case.
The denial letter only mentioned the filing deadline. There was no mention of incomplete contents - just that they received it after the cutoff date for refunds, even though I mailed it on the exact deadline day they specified. This makes me think it's purely about the timing and not the contents.
That's actually good news! When they only dispute the timing and not the contents, the mailbox rule applies much more straightforwardly. The courts have consistently upheld that the postmark date is what matters, not when the IRS physically receives or processes it. Since you have certified mail proof with the right date, I think your chances are excellent either through the appeals process or tax court. The IRS knows they'll lose this type of case, so they often settle once they see proper documentation.
A little shocked nobody mentioned Publication 5, "Your Appeal Rights and How to Prepare a Protest If You Don't Agree." Even though you missed the initial appeal window, you can still file what's called an "audit reconsideration" request. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p5.pdf This is basically asking the IRS to take another look at your case based on new information (or in your case, information they may have overlooked - your certified mail receipt). Mail this to the EXACT address on your denial letter, not to a general IRS address. Include copies (never originals) of your certified mail receipt and a clear explanation citing IRC Section 7502 about timely mailing being timely filing.
Does this actually work though? I feel like the IRS just tosses these requests straight in the trash when you've missed the appeal deadline.
I think everyone's overcomplicating this. The question is simple - did you file Articles of Organization with your state? If yes, you formed an LLC, which means BOIR filing is required. If you never filed anything with the state and are just using a business name, that's a sole proprietorship. Check your state's business entity search portal - just Google "[your state] business entity search" and type in your business name. It will show what type of entity you registered.
Thanks for this tip! I just looked up my businesses on my state's portal and they're definitely LLCs. I guess I need to do the BOIR filing after all. Do you know if there's any easy way to complete it without hiring someone? I have 3 properties/LLCs so it seems like it could get expensive fast.
The BOIR filing isn't too complicated if you're a single-member LLC. You'll need to create an account on FinCEN's BOI E-Filing System, and then provide basic information about yourself as the beneficial owner (name, address, ID number) and your company (legal name, address, formation info). Since you're both the company applicant (person who formed the LLC) and the beneficial owner (person who owns/controls it), it's pretty straightforward. If you have all your formation documents handy, you can probably complete all three filings in 1-2 hours. Much cheaper than paying someone hundreds of dollars per LLC!
Just FYI for everyone - the BOIR deadline for existing companies is January 1, 2025. If your LLCs were created before January 1, 2024, that's your deadline. If they were created during 2024, you have 90 days from formation date. Don't stress too much, but don't wait until the last minute either!
Do you happen to know what the penalties are if you miss the deadline? I have a bunch of single member LLCs and I'm traveling until mid-January.
The penalties can be pretty severe - civil penalties up to $500 per day for violations, and criminal penalties up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment up to 2 years for willful violations. But I wouldn't stress too much about your mid-January return if you're making a good faith effort to comply. Government agencies rarely begin aggressive enforcement immediately after a new filing requirement. That said, you should probably at least create your FinCEN account before you leave and maybe start gathering the information you'll need.
Amara Eze
Don't forget about the Earned Income Credit if your income is within the limits. With two qualifying children and your income level, you might be eligible. The income limits for 2024 are higher than last year. Also, you definitely need to look into the Child Tax Credit. For 2024, it's worth up to $2,000 per qualifying child under 17. Since you had the kids for more nights, you have a strong case to claim this.
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Carmen Ruiz
ā¢Do I still qualify for child tax credits if my income was around $80k total (including the contractor work)? I thought there were phaseouts.
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Amara Eze
ā¢Yes, you should still qualify. The Child Tax Credit begins to phase out at $200,000 for single filers and $400,000 for married filing jointly. With your total income around $80k, you're well below those thresholds, so you should be eligible for the full amount for each qualifying child. The Earned Income Credit has lower income limits, so you'd need to check those specifically based on your filing status and number of qualifying children. But the Child Tax Credit should definitely be available to you based on the income information you've shared.
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Giovanni Ricci
Just wanted to add something about the contractor income - make sure you're tracking EVERYTHING for next year. I got audited because of my side gig and it was a nightmare. Get a separate credit card for business expenses, take photos of receipts with your phone, and log your mileage with an app. And definitely make quarterlys next year! The penalty isn't usually huge but why pay extra if you don't have to?
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NeonNomad
ā¢What app do you use for mileage? I've been trying to keep track on a notepad but I always forget.
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Giovanni Ricci
ā¢I use MileIQ and it's been a lifesaver. It automatically tracks all your drives and then you just swipe right for business or left for personal. Super easy and creates IRS-ready reports. Some people also like Everlance or Stride. Another tip: set calendar reminders for quarterly tax payments (April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15). The IRS doesn't send reminders and it's easy to forget, especially that weird June one that's only two months after April!
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