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Ravi Gupta

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Does anyone know if scholarships count as "income earned in a state"? I get a scholarship from my home state (Ohio) but attend school in Pennsylvania. Not sure how to report this on state returns.

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Amina Diallo

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Great question! Scholarships are treated differently than earned income. If your scholarship is tax-free (used for qualified education expenses like tuition and required books), it's not reported as income on any state return. If part of your scholarship is taxable (used for room and board, for example), it's generally considered income in your state of residency, not the state that provided the scholarship. So in your case, if you're a Pennsylvania resident for tax purposes (which most full-time students are for their school state), any taxable portion of your scholarship would be reported on your PA return, even though the scholarship came from Ohio.

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GalacticGuru

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Lol I'm in the same boat but more complicated - I'm from California, go to school in Massachusetts, did a summer internship in New York, AND did some online freelance work while traveling in Europe for 3 weeks. My tax situation is a complete disaster this year 😭

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Paolo Conti

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Omg that sounds like a nightmare! Have you figured out how to handle it? I'm stressed just about my two states!

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GalacticGuru

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It's been... a process lol. I ended up paying for a consultation with an accountant who specializes in multi-state issues. Definitely worth the $150 for the peace of mind. He said I need to file: - Resident return for Massachusetts (my tax home as a student) - Non-resident returns for California and New York - And the freelance income gets reported on all three (but with credits to avoid triple taxation) The European travel didn't matter tax-wise since I wasn't there long enough to trigger any foreign filing requirements. My advice: if you have more than 2 states, just pay a professional. The stress reduction is worth it!

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - get those returns filed ASAP because if the IRS files a Substitute for Return (SFR) for you, they'll only use standard deductions and won't include any credits you might be eligible for. They basically give you the worst possible tax situation. I learned this the hard way when they did an SFR for my 2019 taxes. They said I owed $11,400 when I actually only owed about $4,200 when I finally filed properly with all my legitimate deductions and credits.

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Thanks for bringing this up - I had no idea they could just file a return for me! Do you know how long it typically takes before they do that? I'm trying to get all my paperwork together and I'm hoping I haven't hit that point yet.

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It varies, but they typically start the SFR process 1-3 years after the return was due. Since your 2021 return would have been due in April 2022, they might be preparing an SFR soon if they haven't already. You can find out by requesting an account transcript from the IRS website. If you see a code 150 with "Substitute for Return" next to it, that means they've already filed one for you. But even if they have, you can still file your own return which will replace their SFR and potentially reduce what you owe significantly.

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Has anyone used one of those tax relief companies that advertise on the radio? They claim they can settle with the IRS for "pennies on the dollar"... wondering if that's legitimate for situations like this.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Be very careful with those tax relief companies. What they're referring to is an Offer in Compromise (OIC), which is legitimate but rarely approved. In 2020, only about 30% of OICs were accepted. These companies often charge thousands of dollars upfront with no guarantee of results. They're essentially offering what you can do yourself by filling out Form 656. To qualify for an OIC, you generally need to prove you can't pay through an installment agreement AND the full amount would cause financial hardship. For someone with steady salary income like the original poster, an OIC is unlikely to be approved unless there are significant other financial hardships.

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Carmen Ortiz

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - check if you selected "Student" on your W-4 form. This is a common mistake that can cause underwithholding. Being a student doesn't automatically change your tax withholding - in fact, there's no checkbox for "student" on the W-4 at all! Also, at your income level (~$115k), you're in a higher tax bracket than you might realize. The education credits like American Opportunity Credit and Lifetime Learning Credit start phasing out at incomes over $80k for single filers. Your education expenses might not be giving you as much tax benefit as you expect. I'd recommend running a "paycheck checkup" using the IRS withholding calculator and then submitting a fresh W-4 to your payroll department. Make sure to check Box 2 if you have multiple jobs, and consider adding an additional dollar amount to withhold on Line 4(c).

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MidnightRider

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This is so helpful! I had no idea the education credits phase out at higher incomes. Is there any way to still benefit from education expenses if you're above the income limits? I'm in a similar situation making around $105k and taking night classes.

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Carmen Ortiz

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There are still some options available even above the phase-out limits. While the American Opportunity Credit and Lifetime Learning Credit may not be available at your income level, you might qualify for the Tuition and Fees Deduction, which has higher income limits. Another option to consider is whether your education might qualify as a work-related education expense, which could potentially be deductible as an employee business expense in some situations. The rules are strict though - the education must be required by your employer or by law to maintain your current position, or it must maintain or improve skills needed in your current job.

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Andre Laurent

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have you checked if ur employer is taking out state taxes correctly too? i had a similar issue and turned out my employer was withholding for the wrong state (i live near a state border and work remotely). ended up owing federal AND state taxes, it was a mess 😩 when i finally figured it out i had to fill out a new w4 AND a state withholding form. my paycheck went down by like $200 but at least i wont owe a huge amount next year lol

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Zara Ahmed

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I didn't even think about that! I live in Illinois but my company is based in Wisconsin. I'll definitely check my state withholding too. How bad was the hit when you fixed both state and federal withholding? I'm worried about my take-home pay dropping too much all at once.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you might want to consider claiming this as a non-business bad debt if you can't fully document it as a business bad debt. Non-business bad debts are treated as short-term capital losses, which isn't as good as an ordinary business loss, but still better than nothing. For it to qualify as a business bad debt, you generally need to show you were in the business of lending money or that the loan was somehow related to your trade or business. If it was just a one-off loan, the IRS might challenge a business bad debt classification. I went through this last year with a similar amount and ended up going the non-business bad debt route because it was less documentation and less risk of audit.

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Interesting point! I actually made this loan with the intention of potentially becoming a partner in the business later, so there was a business motive beyond just earning interest. Would that help establish it as a business rather than personal loan?

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That business connection definitely strengthens your case for treating it as a business bad debt. Keep any emails or documents that show discussions about partnership or business involvement. The key distinction the IRS looks for is whether you made the loan as an investment with business interests or simply as a personal loan. If you can document that connection to your own business activities or potential participation in their business, you're in a much better position to claim it as a business bad debt, which gives you the more favorable ordinary loss treatment rather than capital loss limitations.

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StarSeeker

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Don't forget the timing issue - the bad debt deduction must be taken in the year the debt actually becomes worthless, not when you decide to write it off. If you have evidence it became worthless in 2023, you should take it then. If it's becoming worthless in 2024, take it this year. Taking it in the wrong year is a common mistake and the IRS can disallow the deduction even if you have all the right documentation. Since you filed an extension for 2024 taxes (due Oct 2024), you need to determine if the worthlessness occurred in this tax year.

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This is so important! My accountant told me the IRS is particularly picky about the timing of bad debt deductions. They expect you to take reasonable steps to collect before claiming worthlessness, but also don't want you waiting years after it's clearly uncollectible.

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Justin Evans

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One thing to check that nobody mentioned yet - look at Box 8 on your W-2 "Allocated tips." Sometimes employers will put an amount there if they think you underreported tips, and you have to pay additional Social Security and Medicare taxes on those allocated tips. Also, remember that if your total income from ALL sources goes over certain thresholds, you start losing deductions and credits. This includes the Earned Income Credit that someone mentioned above, but also potentially others depending on your filing status and total income. The tax code basically penalizes you as you make more money by taking away benefits designed for lower-income workers. It's frustrating but that's how the system works.

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Noah Torres

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I checked Box 8 and there aren't any allocated tips listed, so that's not the issue. I think it really is just about hitting those income thresholds like you and others mentioned. It's just so frustrating that working harder and making more money can actually leave you worse off financially in some cases. I guess I need to be more strategic about retirement contributions and other pre-tax deductions going forward.

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Justin Evans

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You're absolutely right to be thinking about strategic tax planning. The tax code has these "cliffs" where earning just $1 more can cost you hundreds in lost credits or deductions. For next year, definitely look into maximizing pre-tax contributions like 401k, HSA if you have access to one, and dependent care FSA if applicable. These reduce your adjusted gross income which is what most of these phase-outs are based on. Also, if your full-time job offers any fringe benefits that are tax-free (like transit benefits), take advantage of those too. The system doesn't make it easy to understand these effects until after you've already been hit with them, unfortunately.

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Emily Parker

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Has anyone noticed that if you claim too many business deductions on Schedule C for self-employment, the IRS now flags your return for additional review? My friend works at a tax prep place and says they're seeing way more audits for servers and bartenders who try to offset their tip income with questionable business expenses.

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Ezra Collins

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This is important to note! The IRS has been focusing more on small business compliance. If you're reporting tips, don't try to create fake deductions to offset them. Only claim legitimate business expenses you can document (like purchased uniforms, special shoes, tools you buy yourself, etc). The risk of audit isn't worth trying to save a few hundred dollars. And with the IRS getting additional funding, they're increasing audit rates for the first time in years.

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