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I think everyone is overlooking a key detail - the correction needs to be removed FROM THE PLAN by April 15, not just requested. Sending emails today won't help if the actual distribution doesn't happen by the deadline. You're unfortunately going to have to deal with the tax consequences.
That's actually incorrect. According to IRS regulations, the deadline is for notifying the plan administrator, not completing the distribution. The regulation specifically states: "If the employee notifies the plan of the excess by April 15, the excess amount is not subject to double taxation." The actual distribution typically takes several weeks to process, but as long as the request is made by the deadline, the participant is considered compliant.
I work in benefits administration and handle these cases regularly. You're right that the notification deadline is April 15, not the distribution completion deadline - that was my mistake. What I should have clarified is that proper documentation of the notification is crucial. An email might work, but some plan administrators require specific forms to be submitted. The safest approach is to follow up with both administrators on Monday and ask them to confirm the appropriate procedure while referencing your weekend emails as initial notification.
Anyone know how the taxes work on the returned excess? Like does it just get added to your income for the current tax year?
The excess contribution amount gets added to your taxable income for the year you receive the distribution (so this current tax year, not last year). The earnings portion is also taxable in the current year. You'll get a 1099-R form showing the distribution. The good news is you avoid the 6% excess contribution penalty this way. The returned amount is technically taxed twice (once when contributed, once when distributed), but that's still better than the 6% penalty repeating every year until fixed.
Just want to add something that helped me with my 1099 tax debt - the Taxpayer Advocate Service. They're an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems. I was in a similar situation with about $35k in tax debt from 1099 work, and they helped me navigate my options. The service is free, but you need to demonstrate that you're facing significant hardship. In my case, I was able to show that the minimum payments were preventing me from covering basic living expenses. They helped me get into a more reasonable payment plan and even got some penalties removed.
This sounds promising! How long did the process take when you used the Taxpayer Advocate Service? And did you need to provide a lot of financial documentation?
The whole process took about 2 months from my initial contact to getting a revised payment plan. They do require quite a bit of documentation - I had to provide bank statements, pay stubs, a detailed list of monthly expenses, and proof of my housing costs and medical expenses. They assigned me a specific advocate who worked directly with me throughout the process. The most helpful part was having someone who could explain the various relief options in plain English and who actually seemed to care about finding a solution that worked for my specific situation. Much better than trying to navigate the general IRS channels where you rarely speak to the same person twice.
Don't overlook self-employment tax deductions! I was in a 1099 mess too, and the thing that helped most was properly tracking business expenses. Are you deducting: - Home office (if you have dedicated space) - Health insurance premiums - Cell phone/internet (business portion) - Mileage for business travel - Retirement contributions (SEP IRA or Solo 401k) - Business software subscriptions These can significantly reduce your taxable income. I started a SEP IRA and was able to contribute about 20% of my net earnings, which saved thousands in taxes each year.
This! I switched from doing a Schedule C to forming an S-Corp after my 1099 income hit about $80k, and it saved me a ton on self-employment taxes. You still pay yourself a reasonable salary that gets employment taxes, but can take the rest as distributions that aren't subject to SE tax. Might be worth looking into if your 1099 income is substantial.
Just to offer a somewhat different perspective - I'm a dermatologist with a similar practice structure (though smaller gross at about $1.5M), and I took a more conservative approach after discussion with my tax advisor. I actually increased my salary from $210K to $275K specifically to avoid potential issues. Yes, I'm paying more in payroll taxes, but the peace of mind is worth it. We calculated that if I were audited and forced to reclassify distributions as wages retroactively, the penalties and interest would far exceed the tax savings. One important factor is that as a dermatologist, your personal services are the primary value driver. My advisor pointed out that the IRS is particularly attentive to professional service S-Corps where almost all revenue is generated through the shareholder's personal expertise and reputation.
Interesting approach! What portion of your total compensation (salary plus distributions) does your $275K salary represent? I'm trying to figure out if there's a reasonable percentage that's generally considered safe.
My total compensation breaks down to about $275K salary and $180K in distributions, so my salary represents about 60% of my total compensation. My tax advisor said there's no magic percentage that's automatically "safe," but that the higher the percentage of your total compensation that comes as salary, the less likely you are to face scrutiny. He did mention that for medical specialists, keeping salary at least 50-60% of total compensation is a good starting point, but it really depends on all those factors others have mentioned - including local market rates for your specialty, your experience level, hours worked, and practice complexity. Every situation is unique, which is why documentation of how you arrived at your number is so important.
Has anyone here actually been through an S-Corp reasonable compensation audit? I'm curious what that process was like and what documentation they wanted to see. My accountant keeps warning me about it but can't give me specific examples.
I went through one 2 years ago for my orthopedic practice. It was intense. They wanted EVERYTHING - industry salary surveys, time logs showing how many hours I worked, documentation of my education/experience, compensation data for other doctors in my practice, historical salary info, etc. The most helpful thing was having a formal reasonable compensation study we'd done when setting up the practice. The auditor still adjusted my salary up somewhat (from $280K to $320K), but accepted most of our position because we had documentation showing how we arrived at our numbers. Without that study, I suspect they would have reclassified all my distributions.
Don't forget that amending in FreeTaxUSA will likely cost you some money. They charge like $15-20 for amendments even if you filed for free originally. And if you need to amend both federal and state returns, that's separate fees. Also be prepared for a LONG wait. IRS is still processing amended returns very slowly - like 20+ weeks in some cases.
AstroAdventurer
I think the answer depends on the complexity of the question. For basic stuff like "Can I deduct my mortgage interest?" I don't need to research. But for anything with nuance or that seems unusual, absolutely research it. I've seen too many colleagues confidently give wrong answers because they didn't bother to check. Tax law is too complex and changes too often to rely solely on memory.
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Javier Mendoza
ā¢What's your go-to research source? I've been using the IRS website but sometimes it's hard to navigate.
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AstroAdventurer
ā¢My primary research source is the actual Internal Revenue Code and Treasury Regulations when I need definitive answers. They're comprehensive but can be dense reading. For day-to-day questions, I use a combination of CCH IntelliConnect and Bloomberg Tax. They're subscription services but worth every penny for the time they save and the confidence they provide. They include practical explanations, examples, and citations to relevant code sections and cases. I also frequently check IRS publications for more straightforward explanations, though they don't cover every nuance.
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Emma Wilson
Any1 else think its crazy how many tax pros just make stuff up? Had a client come to me after another preparer told them they could deduct 100% of meals (wrong) and their entire cell phone bill as a business expense without documentation (also wrong). When I asked the client if the preparer researched this, they said "no he seemed very confident." Confidence ā correctness in taxes!!
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Malik Davis
ā¢Omg yes! Just had someone come to me with a MESS of a return from last year. Previous preparer had claimed random deductions with zero documentation and now they're being audited. Be confident in your research, not your memory!
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