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Mateo Lopez

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Don't overlook state tax implications when deciding on a Blocker corp for your self-directed IRA. Different states treat UBTI differently, and the state where you form your Blocker corporation can matter a lot. For example, forming a Blocker in Wyoming or Nevada might save you on state corporate taxes compared to forming in California or New York. Also consider where your investments are located - some states tax out-of-state corporations doing business in their jurisdiction.

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Good point! Does anybody know if there's any benefit to having the Blocker corp in the same state as the real estate investment? Or is it always better to go with a no/low tax state regardless?

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Mateo Lopez

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There can be advantages to having your Blocker corporation in the same state as your real estate investments, primarily related to simplifying compliance. When your corporation owns property in a different state, you often need to register as a "foreign entity doing business" in that state anyway, which creates additional filing requirements and possibly fees. For pure tax purposes, low/no tax states like Wyoming, Nevada, or Delaware are typically better. However, the compliance simplification might outweigh the tax benefits in some cases, especially for smaller investments. Each additional state filing increases your annual maintenance costs and complexity.

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Ethan Davis

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Has anyone actually calculated the break-even point where a Blocker corp makes sense for a leveraged real estate investment in an IRA? I'm looking at buying a $400k rental property with about 40% down from my IRA funds.

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ShadowHunter

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Based on your numbers, you'd have about $240k in debt financing (60% of $400k). Assuming typical rental returns of 6-8% annually on the property value, you'd generate around $24k-32k in income, and roughly 60% of that would be debt-financed income potentially subject to UBIT - so about $14.4k-19.2k. With current UBIT rates, you'd pay roughly $3k-4k in taxes. Corporate formation and maintenance costs vary, but typically run $1.5k-2.5k annually when you factor everything in. So you're potentially saving $1.5k-2.5k per year with a Blocker - definitely in the range where it makes sense.

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The IRS is massively understaffed right now and processing times are all over the place. My brother filed in January and got his refund in 9 days. I filed TWO WEEKS before him and just got mine yesterday (54 days later!) with zero explanation for the delay. There's literally no rhyme or reason to it sometimes - it's like a lottery. Fingers crossed you're one of the lucky ones who gets processed quickly!

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Were there any differences between your return and your brother's? Like did you claim any credits or deductions that he didn't? Sometimes certain things trigger additional review.

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Marcus Marsh

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First-time filer advice: download the IRS2Go app!! It's the official IRS app and lets you check your refund status anytime. Way easier than constantly logging into the website, and it updates at the same time as the "Where's My Refund" tool. My direct deposit refund took 11 days total this year (filed early February), but my girlfriend who filed in March waited almost 4 weeks. Filing early definitely seems to help speed things up.

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Quick reminder that if your divorce was finalized before 2019, you can STILL deduct alimony on your taxes! My divorce was in 2017 and I take the deduction every year. Just make sure you have the right documentation and your ex's social security number for your tax forms. A lot of people don't realize the cutoff date doesn't affect older divorces unless you've modified your agreement since then and specifically opted into the new rules.

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Natalie Khan

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What kind of documentation do you need exactly? My divorce was in 2016 and I've been deducting alimony, but I'm always paranoid I'm doing it wrong.

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You should keep copies of canceled checks, bank statements, or other proof of payment that clearly shows the amounts and dates. I also keep a yearly summary log that matches my payment records. Make sure you have your divorce decree handy too, since it specifies the alimony amounts. You'll need your ex's Social Security Number for Form 1040 (the recipient is required to provide it). If you're using tax software, it will specifically ask for this information in the alimony section. Just don't confuse any child support payments with alimony - only the alimony portion is deductible for pre-2019 divorces.

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Tyrone Hill

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Does anyone know what happens if your divorce was being finalized right around the cutoff date? My ex and I separated in 2017, but our divorce wasn't technically finalized until February 2019. I've been deducting alimony since then, but now I'm worried I've been doing it wrong for years...

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Rudy Cenizo

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Unfortunately, you've been deducting incorrectly. The law is very specific about the cutoff - the divorce or separation agreement must have been executed before January 1, 2019. Since yours was finalized in February 2019, you fall under the new rules. I would strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional about amending your previous returns. You may owe back taxes plus potential penalties for the incorrect deductions.

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22 One thing nobody's mentioned is that you should definitely take a screenshot of the IRS page showing $0 due, along with your TurboTax acceptance confirmation. Keep those with your tax records this year. If there's ever any question about when you paid or why you paid when the system showed $0, you'll have documentation showing you acted in good faith based on the information available at the time. The IRS systems don't always talk to each other correctly, and having this proof can save you a lot of headache if there are questions later.

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7 That's actually super smart! Would you also recommend printing these out or is digital storage enough?

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22 Digital storage is generally fine, but I always do both. I keep a digital folder for each tax year, and I also print important items for a physical folder. The key is making sure you can easily find these documents for at least 3 years (the standard IRS lookback period for audits), though 7 years is even better. For something like this payment situation, I'd definitely print the TurboTax acceptance, the IRS $0 balance screen, and your payment confirmation. It's that extra layer of protection that can save you tons of stress if there's ever a discrepancy.

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10 Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that the IRS can't get its act together on basic tech stuff? If TurboTax can process millions of returns and instantly give confirmations, why does the IRS website take weeks to update? And why don't their own systems communicate with each other?

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16 It's because Congress has been underfunding the IRS for years. They're running on systems from the 1960s and 1970s in some cases. I read that they still have code written in COBOL which hardly anyone knows how to program anymore.

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Noah Lee

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you're going to allocate profits differently than ownership percentages, make sure ALL partners agree to this in writing. I made the mistake of verbally agreeing to a different split with my partners, but when tax time came, one partner changed their mind and insisted on the original percentage. Caused a huge fight and nearly broke up the business. Make sure your operating agreement specifically addresses profit allocations and have it reviewed by an attorney. Also consider including language about how and when allocations can be changed in the future.

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Did you have to completely redo your operating agreement or was there some kind of amendment you could add? We're already 2 years into our business and wondering if we need to start from scratch with a new agreement.

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Noah Lee

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We didn't have to completely redo the operating agreement. Our attorney drafted an amendment specifically addressing profit allocations that referenced the original agreement. All partners had to sign it, and we made sure to include clear language about the business purpose for the special allocation. We also addressed your exact situation by including provisions for how to handle changes in future years, requiring unanimous consent for any allocation changes and setting deadlines before year-end for making such decisions. This prevented last-minute surprises at tax time when someone might change their mind.

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One practical consideration: if your LLC is taxed as a partnership, remember that partners pay taxes on their allocated profits whether or not those profits are distributed. So if you allocate more profit to the two working partners but everyone takes equal draws, make sure those partners can cover their higher tax bills from other sources. I've seen this cause major cash flow problems for partners who didn't realize they'd be taxed on profits they didn't actually receive in cash. The partner getting a smaller allocation might be happy with the tax savings, but the partners with larger allocations need to be prepared for the higher tax burden.

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This happened to me! Got allocated 45% of profits due to "sweat equity" but actual distributions were split evenly. Ended up owing way more in taxes than I expected and didn't have the cash. Now we adjust distributions quarterly to account for estimated tax payments.

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