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Omar Hassan

Looking for resources on taxation of foreign ordinary and ADR stocks for US citizens?

I've recently started investing internationally and I'm feeling overwhelmed with the tax implications. I've got positions in several European companies through both ordinary shares and ADRs, and I'm not sure how to properly report these on my taxes. The foreign tax withholding is confusing me - some of my dividends seem to have taxes taken out automatically, while others don't. And I have no idea how the foreign tax credit works or if I should be filling out Form 1116. I'm using TurboTax but it's not very clear on how to handle these foreign investments. Does anyone have any good resources specifically about US taxation of foreign stocks? Books, websites, or even YouTube channels that explain this stuff clearly? I'm particularly interested in understanding the tax treaty implications and whether ADRs are treated differently than direct foreign ordinary shares for tax purposes.

Chloe Taylor

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I've been investing internationally for about a decade now, so I can help point you in the right direction! Foreign investments are definitely more complex for US taxpayers, but they're manageable once you understand the basics. For ordinary shares vs ADRs, there are some key differences in taxation. ADRs are easier because the custodian bank typically handles the foreign tax withholding, while with direct foreign shares, you'll deal with the foreign tax authorities' rules directly. The IRS Publication 514 "Foreign Tax Credit for Individuals" is actually quite good for understanding how to claim credit for foreign taxes paid. For most retail investors, you'll qualify for the simplified procedure if your foreign tax payments are under $300 ($600 if married filing jointly). Look into the specific tax treaties between the US and the countries you're investing in - they usually determine withholding rates. The IRS has a page listing all current tax treaties that's helpful for reference.

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ShadowHunter

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Does using Form 1116 trigger audit flags with the IRS? I've been avoiding international dividends because my buddy said claiming foreign tax credits increases your audit risk. Is that true or just a myth?

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Chloe Taylor

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Using Form 1116 doesn't inherently trigger audits - that's mostly a tax myth. The IRS processes millions of these forms annually from investors with international holdings. If your foreign tax amounts match what's reported on your 1099 forms, there's very little risk. For most individual investors with straightforward foreign investments, the simplified foreign tax credit (without Form 1116) is sufficient when your foreign taxes are under the threshold. This appears directly on Schedule 3 of your 1040 and is quite routine.

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Sean O'Connor

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Can it actually tell the difference between the withholding rates for different countries? My broker seems to apply random rates and I can never figure out if I'm getting the right treaty benefits.

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CyberNinja

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One resource I found really helpful was the Bogleheads wiki and forum - they have a dedicated section on tax-efficient investing for US citizens with foreign stocks. Their wiki page on foreign tax credit has clear explanations of the concepts that even a beginner can understand. Another good option is the "Nonresident Alien with a US Financial Life" blog by a tax attorney. Despite the name, it covers US citizens investing abroad extensively. Much more readable than IRS publications!

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Omar Hassan

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Thanks for these suggestions! Does the Bogleheads wiki cover the differences between holding foreign stocks directly vs through ADRs? That's the part I'm most confused about.

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CyberNinja

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Yes, the Bogleheads wiki has a specific section comparing direct foreign shares vs ADRs from a tax perspective. They break down the pros and cons of each approach and even have country-specific guidance for major markets like UK, Japan, and Germany. They also have a great explanation of foreign tax "reclaim" procedures for when you're taxed at a higher rate than the treaty allows, which is common with direct foreign shares in some European countries.

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Mateo Lopez

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I recommend "U.S. Taxation of Foreign Portfolio Investment" by York Hamovitz. It's more technical but covers everything you need to know about ADRs, ordinary shares, and mutual funds with foreign securities. I also think you should look at your broker's resources. Fidelity and Schwab both have decent guides on international tax considerations that explain the basics of withholding and credits.

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I found Schwab's international tax guide super misleading though. It claimed I wouldn't need to file Form 1116 for any of their international funds, but then I got hit with excess foreign taxes that required the form. Better to rely on independent sources.

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