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Foreign Tax Credit Simplified Limitation for AMT - Need Help Understanding Options

I've been trying to wrap my head around Foreign Tax Credit options, especially with AMT in the picture, and I'm feeling completely lost. From what I understand, there seem to be 2 different elections we can make: 1. If our foreign taxes are under $300 (or $600 for married filing jointly), we can claim the Foreign Tax Credit without having to file Form 1116. This amount can also be used directly as FTC for Alternative Minimum Tax purposes. 2. When dealing with both AMT and FTC, there's apparently some election we can make...but this is where I get confused. My tax software is giving me different numbers and I'm not sure which election makes more sense in my situation. We have some dividend income from international stocks in our portfolio (around $4,200) with foreign taxes of about $290. I'm trying to determine if I should just take the simplified credit or if I need to go through the Form 1116 process. The whole AMT angle is making this extra confusing. Has anyone dealt with Foreign Tax Credit Simplified Limitation for AMT before? Any guidance would be super appreciated!

Liam Sullivan

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The Foreign Tax Credit can definitely be confusing when AMT is involved! You've got the basics right, so let me help clarify the complete picture. For your situation with $290 in foreign taxes, you have two main options: You can take the simplified election since you're under the $300 threshold (or $600 if married filing jointly). This means you don't need to file Form 1116 and can directly claim the credit. This same amount can offset both your regular tax and AMT. Alternatively, you can choose to file Form 1116, which might be beneficial if you have unused foreign taxes from previous years that you want to carry forward or if filing Form 1116 results in a higher allowable credit. For AMT purposes, when filing Form 1116, there's a special simplified limitation election you can make on Form 6251. This allows you to use the same foreign source income calculations for both regular tax and AMT purposes, which simplifies the process considerably. Based on your relatively small amount of foreign tax ($290) and dividend income ($4,200), the simplified election without Form 1116 is probably your easiest option unless you have carryovers from previous years.

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Amara Okafor

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Thanks for the explanation! Quick question - if I take the simplified election this year but next year my foreign taxes exceed $300, can I switch to filing Form 1116? Also, does making the simplified election this year mean I lose the ability to carry forward any excess credits?

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Liam Sullivan

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Yes, you can absolutely switch methods from year to year depending on your situation. The simplified election is available any year your foreign taxes are below the threshold, regardless of what you did in previous years. Regarding carryforwards, that's an important consideration. If you take the simplified election (no Form 1116), you cannot carry forward any excess foreign taxes. All foreign taxes are either used that year or lost. This is one reason some people file Form 1116 even when they qualify for the simplified method.

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One thing to watch out for with Foreign Tax Credit is that the rules for qualified dividends from foreign corporations can get tricky. Make sure your international investments are in countries that have tax treaties with the US if you want those dividends to be qualified (lower tax rate). I learned this the hard way last year when some of my foreign dividends didn't qualify because they were from countries without appropriate tax treaties. Cost me an extra $340 in taxes!

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Ava Martinez

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Is there an easy way to know which countries have tax treaties without having to research each one individually? I have investments in about 8-10 different countries through various ETFs and it's a nightmare to track.

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StarSeeker

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The IRS maintains a complete list of countries with tax treaties on their website. You can find it by searching "IRS tax treaties." Most major developed countries have treaties (UK, Canada, Japan, most of Europe), but there are some notable exceptions. For ETFs, it gets more complicated because they invest in multiple countries. The best approach is to look at the country breakdown in your ETF's annual report or on their website. Some brokerages also provide specific foreign tax information on their year-end tax statements that break down taxes by country.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Has anyone noticed that tax software handles the Foreign Tax Credit Simplified Limitation for AMT differently? I used TurboTax last year and H&R Block this year, and they gave me completely different results for basically identical situations. TurboTax recommended filing Form 1116 while H&R Block said to take the simplified election.

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Zainab Omar

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I've noticed this too! I tried running the same numbers through both TaxAct and FreeTaxUSA, and got different recommendations. I think some tax software just defaults to the simplified method if you're eligible, while others actually calculate which method would be more beneficial. For the AMT limitation specifically, I found TaxAct handled it better.

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I've been dealing with this exact situation for the past three years and wanted to share what I've learned through trial and error. The Foreign Tax Credit Simplified Limitation for AMT is one of those areas where the IRS instructions are particularly unclear. Here's what I wish someone had told me earlier: even though you qualify for the simplified election (under $300), it's worth calculating both methods if you're subject to AMT. The reason is that AMT has different income calculations, and sometimes the foreign source income limitation works out differently. For your specific situation with $290 in foreign taxes and $4,200 in dividend income, I'd recommend running the numbers both ways. The simplified election is definitely easier, but if you're already close to AMT territory, filing Form 1116 might give you a better result. The key is that Form 1116 lets you use the actual foreign source income calculations, which can be more favorable than the simplified approach when AMT is involved. One practical tip: if you decide to file Form 1116, make sure you elect the simplified limitation on Form 6251 line 6. This saves you from having to do separate AMT foreign source income calculations, which is where things get really complicated. Also, keep good records of your foreign taxes paid - even if you take the simplified election this year, you might want to switch to Form 1116 next year if your foreign investments grow.

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Diego Vargas

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This is incredibly helpful! I'm relatively new to investing in international funds and had no idea about the AMT complications with foreign tax credits. Your point about keeping good records really resonates - I've been pretty sloppy with tracking my foreign taxes and now I'm realizing I might have missed out on credits in previous years. Quick question: when you mention "close to AMT territory," is there a rough income threshold where this becomes more relevant? I'm trying to figure out if I even need to worry about AMT calculations for my situation.

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