Understanding AMT Version of Form 1116 - Different Calculations for Foreign Tax Credit?
I'm finally wrapping up my 2025 taxes (yeah, I filed that extension). I'm pretty meticulous with my tax prep and always enter everything into two different tax programs to cross-check the results before filing. It helps me catch any typos or misunderstandings about what's happening with my return. This year I'm using FreeTaxUSA and TurboTax, and they're giving me results that are about $2,700 different. After checking and rechecking all my entries multiple times, I've narrowed down the discrepancy to how each program calculates my Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) Foreign Tax Credit - specifically line 18 of the AMT version of Form 1116. TurboTax seems to be taking a literal interpretation of the Line 18 worksheet in the Form 1116 instructions without any adjustments. FreeTaxUSA, however, appears to be using a modified "AMT" amount for line 15, which takes my 1040 line 15, adds back the standard deduction, and adjusts my capital gains based on the higher computed income. I've been through the IRS documentation thoroughly and can't find clear guidance on this. Nothing explicitly states that the Line 18 Worksheet for the AMT version of Form 1116 should differ from the regular version, except maybe the basic Form 6251 guidance about adding things back. The AMT instructions are so sparse on which specific form lines need adjustment that I might have missed something. Which software is right? Should the Worksheet for Line 18 of the AMT version of Form 1116 include AMT adjustments or not? Or should I just go with whichever one gives me the bigger refund and blame the software if I get audited?
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Connor Byrne
This is actually a great question that stumps even some tax professionals. The AMT foreign tax credit calculation is one of the most complex areas of the tax code. The correct approach is that the Line 18 worksheet for the AMT version of Form 1116 should indeed use AMT-adjusted amounts. The reason is that Form 6251 (Alternative Minimum Tax) creates a parallel tax universe with different income and deduction calculations, and your foreign tax credit must be computed within this AMT framework. FreeTaxUSA appears to be handling this correctly. When calculating the AMT foreign tax credit limitation, you need to use your AMT taxable income (which adds back certain deductions and adjusts income) rather than your regular taxable income. This affects the ratio of foreign income to total income, which ultimately impacts your foreign tax credit limitation. The IRS instructions aren't explicit about this because they assume you're consistently using either regular tax or AMT numbers throughout the respective calculations, but it's implied by the purpose of Form 6251 - to create a separate tax calculation system.
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Yara Elias
•Thanks for this explanation. I have a similar situation but I'm unsure if I'm supposed to be using Form 1116 at all for my AMT calculation. I have foreign income from a Canadian investment account that had about $350 in foreign taxes withheld. My regular tax calculation clearly needs Form 1116, but does the AMT calculation require it too, or can I just take the foreign tax credit directly on the AMT?
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Connor Byrne
•For the AMT calculation, you generally still need Form 1116 if you need it for your regular tax calculation. The AMT system has its own foreign tax credit limitations that parallel the regular system, but with AMT-adjusted numbers. If your foreign taxes are from a passive category (like investment income) and exceed $300 ($600 if married filing jointly), you'll need to complete a separate AMT version of Form 1116. This ensures the proper limitation of your foreign tax credit in the AMT system, just as it's limited in the regular tax system.
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Amina Diop
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Oliver Weber
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Natasha Romanova
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Natasha Romanova
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NebulaNinja
Just wanted to add that I ran into this exact issue last year. After talking with several tax professionals, I learned that the AMT version of Form 1116 should use your AMT income figures rather than your regular taxable income. That's why FreeTaxUSA is giving you a different result than TurboTax. One thing to consider - if you're hit with AMT, you might be able to carry forward excess foreign tax credits to future years when you might not be in AMT. This has saved me thousands over time as those credits eventually get used. Also check if you qualify for the simplified limitation election for foreign tax credits, which might eliminate some of this complexity (though it sounds like your situation might be too complex for this).
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Javier Gomez
•Does carrying forward excess foreign tax credits actually work if you're switching between being subject to AMT in some years but not others? I thought those credits were tracked separately and couldn't be mixed.
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NebulaNinja
•Foreign tax credits are indeed tracked separately for regular tax and AMT purposes. If you have excess AMT foreign tax credits from a year when you're subject to AMT, those specific credits can only offset AMT in future years, not regular tax. Similarly, regular foreign tax credits can only offset regular tax in future years. This is why tax planning becomes so important when you have foreign income - you want to maximize the utilization of both credit types over time. Many people miss this distinction and end up with unusable credits.
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Emma Wilson
If you're dealing with AMT and Form 1116 regularly, I'd strongly recommend investing in professional tax software rather than consumer versions. I use Drake Software now after years of frustration with TurboTax and others. The professional versions have much better handling of complex situations like AMT foreign tax credit interactions. They also provide detailed worksheets showing their calculations so you can verify everything. For the specific issue you're asking about - the AMT Form 1116 calculations should definitely use your AMT-adjusted income figures. This is one area where consumer tax software often falls short because they don't always apply the AMT adjustments consistently across all related forms.
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Malik Thomas
•Do you think it's worth paying for professional software if you only have this issue? Drake is expensive for a one-time use, right?
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Carmen Flores
•You're right that professional software like Drake can be expensive for occasional use. However, given the complexity of AMT foreign tax credit calculations and the potential for errors that could trigger audits or result in overpaid taxes, it might be worth it even for one-time use. The cost of the software is often much less than the potential cost of getting it wrong. That said, if you're looking for a middle ground, some tax professionals will let you use their software for a consultation fee, or you could consider hiring a CPA who specializes in international tax issues for just this one complex area while doing the rest yourself. The peace of mind might be worth the extra cost, especially when dealing with AMT calculations that even consumer software struggles with.
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Dana Doyle
This is a really common issue that catches a lot of people off guard! You're absolutely right to be thorough by cross-checking between different programs - that level of diligence often reveals these kinds of discrepancies that can be costly if missed. From my experience dealing with similar AMT foreign tax credit situations, FreeTaxUSA appears to be handling this correctly. The key principle is that when you're computing AMT, you need to stay within the AMT "universe" for all related calculations. This means your Form 1116 limitation calculations should indeed use your AMT-adjusted income figures rather than your regular taxable income. The reason the IRS instructions aren't more explicit about this is because they assume you understand that AMT creates a parallel tax calculation system. When Form 6251 adjusts your income by adding back certain deductions and making other modifications, those adjusted figures should flow through to all related forms, including the AMT version of Form 1116. A $2,700 difference is significant enough that I'd definitely recommend getting this right rather than just picking the software that gives the bigger refund. If you want additional confirmation, you might consider reaching out to a tax professional who specializes in international tax issues, or even contacting the IRS directly for guidance on your specific situation. The good news is that once you understand how this works, future years become much easier to handle!
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Justin Chang
•Thank you for this comprehensive explanation! As someone new to dealing with AMT and foreign tax credits, this really helps clarify what seemed like an impossibly complex situation. The concept of staying within the "AMT universe" for all related calculations makes perfect sense once you explain it that way. I'm curious though - is there a good way to double-check that FreeTaxUSA is actually implementing this correctly? Since the IRS instructions are so vague on this point, I'm wondering if there are any specific line items or intermediate calculations I should look for to verify that the AMT adjustments are being properly applied to the Form 1116 calculations. Also, for someone in a similar situation in future years, would you recommend always using professional tax software for AMT situations, or are there consumer programs that handle this reliably?
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CosmicCruiser
•Great question about verification! To double-check FreeTaxUSA's implementation, you can look at a few key areas: First, compare the taxable income figure used in the Form 1116 limitation calculation (line 15) with your Form 1040 line 15 - if FreeTaxUSA is doing this correctly, the AMT version should be higher due to adding back the standard deduction and other AMT adjustments. Second, check if the capital gains amounts match between your regular Form 1116 and AMT version - they should differ if you have significant capital gains due to the AMT preferential rate calculation. For future years, I'd actually recommend sticking with FreeTaxUSA if it's handling this correctly, as many consumer programs struggle with AMT complexities. TurboTax, despite its popularity, has historically had issues with nuanced AMT calculations. The key is finding software that consistently applies AMT principles across all related forms, not just Form 6251 itself. You might also consider keeping detailed notes about which specific adjustments your software makes each year - this creates a paper trail that would be invaluable if the IRS ever questions your calculations during an audit.
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