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Geoff Richards

For AMT, if your AGI is greater than your AMTI, then are you NOT subject to AMT?

I've been trying to figure out this AMT situation for days now and I'm completely lost. For AMT (alternative minimum tax), if your AGI (adjusted gross income) is bigger than AMTI (alternative minimum taxable income), then am I correct in understanding that you're not subject to AMT? I've looked at my tax software calculations and noticed my AGI is about $12,500 higher than what's showing as my AMTI. Does this mean I can skip worrying about AMT altogether? The whole Form 6251 is confusing me. I've tried Google searches and even asked ChatGPT, but I'm getting conflicting answers. ChatGPT gave me instructions for Form 6251 that didn't match what I was seeing on the actual form. Can someone please explain this in simple terms? Thanks for any help!

Simon White

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Actually, that's not quite how AMT works. The relationship between AGI and AMTI doesn't determine whether you're subject to AMT. The AMT system essentially runs parallel to the regular tax system. You calculate your tax under both systems, and you pay whichever amount is higher. Your AMTI is calculated by taking your taxable income and then adding back certain deductions and adjustments that aren't allowed under AMT rules. What determines if you owe AMT is whether your tentative minimum tax (calculated on Form 6251) exceeds your regular tax liability. If your tentative minimum tax is higher, then you pay the difference as AMT. For 2025, the AMT exemption amounts are quite high (around $81,300 for single filers and $126,500 for married filing jointly), so fewer people are affected than in previous years.

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Hugo Kass

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Thanks for explaining, but I'm still confused. So even if my AGI is higher than my AMTI, I could still be subject to AMT? How do I know for sure if I need to worry about it? My taxable income is around $145k if that matters.

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Simon White

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Yes, you could still be subject to AMT even if your AGI is higher than your AMTI. The comparison that matters is between your regular tax liability and your tentative minimum tax. To know for sure, you should complete Form 6251. The form will walk you through calculating your AMTI, applying the appropriate exemption (which phases out at higher income levels), and determining your tentative minimum tax. If this amount exceeds your regular tax liability, you'll owe AMT for the difference. At $145k taxable income, you're in the range where AMT could potentially apply, especially if you have certain preference items like state and local tax deductions, personal exemptions, or incentive stock options.

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Khalil Urso

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Myles Regis

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Nasira Ibanez

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Brian Downey

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Callum Savage

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Another important thing to remember with AMT - if you have certain "preference items" like exercise of incentive stock options, certain tax-exempt interest, or some accelerated depreciation methods, these can trigger AMT even if your overall situation seems straightforward. I learned this the hard way last year when I exercised some ISOs and got hit with a massive AMT bill I wasn't expecting. The fair market value of the shares at exercise minus the exercise price gets added to your AMTI, even though it's not income for regular tax purposes.

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Ally Tailer

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Do capital losses help offset AMT? I have some ISO exercises this year but also took some big losses on other investments. Hoping they might cancel each other out for AMT purposes?

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Callum Savage

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Capital losses don't directly offset the AMT adjustment from ISO exercises. The way AMT works, the bargain element (FMV minus exercise price) gets added to your AMTI as a preference item, and it's treated separately from capital gains and losses. Your capital losses will reduce both your regular taxable income and your AMTI in the same way, but they won't specifically cancel out the ISO adjustment. However, they do lower your overall income, which might help keep you below the AMT exemption phaseout threshold. This is definitely a situation where running the calculations on Form 6251 is essential.

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Has anybody used TurboTax for AMT calculations? Does it automatically figure out if you owe AMT? I'm worried it might miss something since my tax situation is pretty complex this year.

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TurboTax should handle the AMT calculations automatically. It fills out Form 6251 behind the scenes based on the information you enter. In the tax summary section, you can usually see if it's calculated any AMT. You can also view the actual Form 6251 to see the detailed calculations.

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Mei Lin

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I went through this exact confusion last year! You're right to be puzzled because the relationship between AGI and AMTI isn't straightforward. Here's what I learned: Even if your AGI is higher than your AMTI, you can still owe AMT. The key comparison is between your "tentative minimum tax" (calculated from your AMTI) and your regular tax liability - whichever is higher is what you pay. Think of it this way: AGI and AMTI are just different starting points for calculating taxes under two parallel systems. Your AMTI might be lower than your AGI because certain deductions that reduce your AGI aren't allowed when calculating AMTI, but you're adding back other preference items. With your income level, I'd definitely recommend completing Form 6251 or having your tax software do it automatically. The AMT exemption does phase out at higher incomes, so it's worth checking. Don't rely on the AGI vs AMTI comparison alone - that's not the determining factor for AMT liability. Hope this helps clarify things! The AMT system is genuinely confusing even for experienced filers.

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This is such a helpful explanation! I've been struggling with the same confusion as the original poster. Your point about AGI and AMTI being "different starting points for calculating taxes under two parallel systems" really clicked for me. I think what's been throwing me off is that intuitively it seems like if your regular AGI is higher, you'd automatically owe more in regular taxes and thus avoid AMT. But you're right that there are all these preference items and disallowed deductions that can make the AMT calculation completely different. I'm definitely going to bite the bullet and work through Form 6251 properly instead of trying to take shortcuts. Better to understand it now than get surprised later! Thanks for sharing your experience.

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Emma Garcia

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@Giovanni Rossi Exactly! That intuitive assumption trips up so many people - I made the same mistake initially. What really helped me understand it was thinking of AMT as a completely separate tax calculation that just happens to use some of the same starting information. One thing that might help as you work through Form 6251: pay special attention to lines 2-6 where you add back the preference items. These are often things like state and local tax deductions that reduce your regular taxable income but aren t'allowed for AMT purposes. That s'typically where you ll'see why someone might have a lower AMTI but still end up owing AMT. Also, don t'get discouraged if the form seems overwhelming at first - I had to go through it twice before it really made sense! The IRS instructions for Form 6251 are actually pretty helpful once you get past the jargon.

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Alfredo Lugo

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Great question! This is one of the most common AMT misconceptions. The relationship between AGI and AMTI actually doesn't determine whether you're subject to AMT at all. Here's the key: AMT works by running two completely separate tax calculations - your regular tax and your "tentative minimum tax." You pay whichever amount is higher. So even if your AGI exceeds your AMTI, you could still owe AMT if your tentative minimum tax (calculated from your AMTI) is higher than your regular tax liability. Your AMTI starts with your taxable income, then adds back certain "preference items" like state/local tax deductions, some depreciation methods, and bargain elements from stock options. These adjustments can create situations where your AMTI is lower than your AGI but still generates a higher tax liability under the AMT system. With your income level and the complexity you're describing, I'd strongly recommend actually completing Form 6251 (or having your tax software do it). The form will show you exactly whether you owe AMT by comparing your tentative minimum tax to your regular tax. Don't try to shortcut it by comparing AGI to AMTI - that comparison doesn't tell you what you need to know about your actual AMT liability.

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