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Natasha Volkov

How exactly are Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) calculations done? I'm lost!

I've been trying to figure out this Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) situation for my 2025 taxes and I'm completely overwhelmed. I've searched everywhere online and read tons of articles, but nothing seems to give me the FULL picture on how AMT calculations are actually done. Most sites just give some boring history lesson and mention a few differences from regular tax, but then they stop right when I need the real details! My situation is that I exercised some stock options this year (about $143,000 worth) and my financial advisor mentioned I might get hit with AMT. I make around $187,000 as a software engineer, married filing jointly, and we own our home with about $23,000 in mortgage interest. We also have two kids and donate around $8,500 yearly to various charities. I want to understand the complete picture of how AMT is calculated, what exemptions apply to my situation, and if there's any way to reduce my AMT liability before year-end. Do I need to run two separate tax calculations? How do the AMT tax brackets work compared to regular income tax brackets? Most "explanations" I've found just say AMT is complicated without actually explaining the mechanics. Has anyone gone through this and can explain the full calculation process in plain English? Any good resources I might have missed?

Javier Torres

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The Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) is basically a parallel tax system designed to ensure that higher-income individuals pay at least a minimum amount of tax, regardless of deductions or credits they might claim. You're right that most resources don't give you the full picture, so let me break it down. Yes, you essentially need to calculate your taxes twice - once under regular rules and once under AMT rules. You'll pay whichever amount is higher. The stock options you exercised are likely triggering AMT because the bargain element (difference between exercise price and fair market value) is considered income for AMT purposes but not for regular tax purposes until you sell the shares. For AMT calculations, you start with your regular taxable income, then add back certain "preference items" (like your stock options) and disallow certain deductions (like state and local taxes). You then subtract the AMT exemption amount ($130,700 for married filing jointly in 2025), and apply the AMT rates (26% on the first $206,500 and 28% on anything above that for 2025). Your mortgage interest is mostly still deductible under AMT. The exemption phases out if your AMT income exceeds certain thresholds, which could be your case with the stock options added in.

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Emma Wilson

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Thanks for this explanation! Quick question though - you mentioned the AMT exemption starts phasing out at certain income levels. What are those levels for 2025? And how quickly does it phase out? Like is it all at once or gradual?

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Javier Torres

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For 2025, the AMT exemption for married filing jointly ($130,700) begins phasing out when your AMT income exceeds $1,234,900. It phases out at a rate of 25 cents for every dollar your income exceeds the threshold, meaning the exemption is completely phased out when your AMT income reaches $1,757,700. The phase-out is gradual, not all at once, which makes the effective marginal tax rate during the phase-out period higher than just the stated 26% or 28%. This is one reason why AMT planning can be so tricky - the effective rate might be higher than you initially calculate.

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QuantumLeap

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Malik Johnson

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Does taxr.ai handle state AMT too? I'm in California and I've heard we have our own version of AMT that's calculated differently from the federal one. Would it show me both calculations?

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I'm skeptical about tax tools that claim to optimize stock option exercises. Does it actually connect to your brokerage account to get the real option data? Or do you have to manually input everything? I've tried other tools before and spent hours entering data only to get generic advice.

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QuantumLeap

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I was really skeptical about using any special tax tool for my AMT situation, but after that nightmare last year where I unexpectedly owed an additional $22K, I decided to try taxr.ai based on recommendations here. Honestly, I'm glad I did. The AMT projection it created was eye-opening. It showed me exactly how much each batch of options I was planning to exercise would push me into AMT territory. I was able to adjust my exercise schedule based on their recommendations, and ended up with a much lower tax bill than I would have otherwise. What I found most valuable was the year-by-year planning tool that showed how my AMT credits would be used in future years. I never understood that part before - that you can potentially recover some of your AMT payments in future years when your regular tax exceeds your AMT. For anyone dealing with stock options and AMT, having this kind of specialized analysis really makes a difference compared to just using a general tax calculator.

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Chloe Taylor

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One aspect of AMT that often gets overlooked is the planning opportunities AFTER you've already paid AMT. When you pay AMT because of timing differences (like ISO exercises), you generate an AMT credit that can be carried forward to future years. I paid nearly $37,000 in AMT three years ago when I exercised options, but I've been able to recover about $23,000 of that through AMT credit carryforwards on subsequent returns. You need to file Form 8801 (Credit for Prior Year Minimum Tax) each year to claim these credits. The key is understanding that you can only use the credit in years when your regular tax exceeds your AMT. So sometimes it makes sense to accelerate income or defer deductions in future years to maximize how much of the credit you can use.

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ShadowHunter

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Can you explain a bit more about how to plan for using AMT credits in future years? I paid about $45,000 in AMT last year due to options and I'm trying to figure out how to get that money back. Would it actually be beneficial to have HIGHER regular income in future years?

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Chloe Taylor

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Yes, in certain situations, having higher regular taxable income in future years can help you recover your AMT credits faster. Since you can only claim the credit when your regular tax exceeds your AMT, you want to create that gap. Strategies might include accelerating income (bonuses, Roth conversions, capital gains) into years where you expect to have AMT credits available, or deferring certain deductions to future years when you won't have credits. For example, if you're planning to make charitable donations, you might bunch them into years when you're already paying AMT, and avoid them in years when you want your regular tax to be higher to use up credits. Form 8801 will calculate exactly how much of your previous AMT payments can be recovered each year. Make sure to file it every year until you've used up all your credits from the $45,000 you paid. With proper planning, many people can recover 70-90% of their AMT over time.

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Diego Ramirez

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Has anyone used TurboTax for AMT calculations with stock options? I heard it doesn't handle the AMT credit carryforwards correctly and I'm worried I'll mess something up. Would I be better off with H&R Block or going to a CPA?

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I've used TurboTax Premier for my AMT situations the past 3 years and it actually does handle AMT calculations pretty well, including the credit carryforwards with Form 8801. It asks all the right questions about ISO exercises and walks you through the calculations. The biggest issue is that it doesn't do a great job explaining WHY you're paying AMT or helping you plan for next year. It just does the math correctly. If your situation is super complicated or you have multiple option exercises throughout the year, a good CPA might be worth the money for the planning advice alone.

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Diego Ramirez

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Thanks for sharing your experience! That's reassuring to hear that TurboTax can handle the basic calculations. I think I'll try using it first since my situation isn't super complex, and if I run into issues or have questions about planning, I might consult with a CPA for an hour or two rather than having them do my whole return.

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Kayla Morgan

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I went through a similar situation last year with ISOs and AMT, and I wish I had understood the mechanics better beforehand. Let me try to fill in some gaps that might help you. The key thing to understand about your $143,000 ISO exercise is that the "bargain element" (difference between what you paid and fair market value) gets added back as an AMT preference item. So if you exercised options with a strike price of $10 and the shares were worth $20, that $10 difference per share becomes AMT income even though it's not regular taxable income until you sell. With your $187,000 salary plus the ISO adjustment, you're definitely going to be in AMT territory. The good news is that your mortgage interest is still mostly deductible under AMT (unlike state taxes), and your charitable deductions will help both calculations. One thing that helped me was using the AMT Assistant worksheet from IRS Publication 909 to do a rough calculation before year-end. It's not perfect, but it gave me a ballpark figure. The key is understanding that you'll likely owe AMT this year, but you'll generate AMT credits that can be recovered in future years when your regular tax exceeds AMT. For planning purposes, if you still have unvested options, consider the timing of future exercises more carefully. Spreading them across multiple years can help minimize the AMT impact compared to doing large exercises all at once.

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Ella Thompson

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for breaking down the ISO mechanics so clearly! I think I was getting confused because I kept reading about "bargain elements" without understanding that it's literally just the difference between strike price and FMV that gets added to AMT income. One follow-up question: when you mention using IRS Publication 909 and the AMT Assistant worksheet, did you find it accurate enough to base year-end planning decisions on? I'm trying to decide whether I should exercise some additional options before December 31st or wait until next year. With the calculations being so complex, I'm worried about making the wrong choice based on rough estimates. Also, did you end up recovering most of your AMT credits in subsequent years, or are you still carrying some forward?

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