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Aisha Ali

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Has anyone successfully used Form 8863 to combine credits in a more advantageous way? I was reading something about education credits potentially altering the order of operations, but I'm not sure if that applies to the adoption credit situation.

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Aisha Ali

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Thanks for clearing that up! So there's no way to reorder the credits even with additional forms. That's disappointing but good to know. Do you know if adjusting withholding for next year would help maximize the use of carried-forward adoption credits? I'm trying to ensure we can use as much as possible of the carried forward amount.

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Sean O'Brien

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Adjusting your withholding won't directly help you use more of the adoption credit, as that doesn't change your actual tax liability - it just changes how much is paid throughout the year versus at filing time. What could help is planning to have more taxable income in future years (if possible) or timing certain deductions differently. For example, you might consider deferring some deductions to a future year when you don't have as many credits, which would leave more tax liability for your adoption credit to offset. A tax professional could help you model different scenarios based on your specific situation to maximize the credit usage over the 5-year carryforward period.

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Ethan Moore

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We faced the same issue two years ago. For us, it was a $4200 difference! What worked for us was filing an amended return where we adjusted some of our itemized deductions to increase our tax liability, which then allowed more of the adoption credit to be used. We worked with a tax professional who specializes in adoption to figure out the best approach.

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That's really interesting! I hadn't considered filing an amended return. Did you have to provide additional documentation to support the changes? And approximately how long did it take for the amended return to be processed? I'm wondering if this approach might work for us too.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Don't feel bad - this is literally the most common mistake for first-time business owners. The tax software takes you through a linear process, so until you get to the expenses section, it looks terrifying! Make sure you're tracking ALL legitimate business expenses: - Cost of goods/inventory - Shipping supplies - Software subscriptions - Advertising/marketing - Website hosting - Payment processing fees - Home office (if you have dedicated space) - Business percentage of internet/phone - Professional services (accountant, lawyer) - Business insurance You'll enter these on Schedule C, and they'll directly reduce your taxable income. The difference between $120k in revenue and maybe $50k in actual taxable profit is HUGE for your tax bill!

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StarStrider

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Thanks for the detailed list! I didn't realize payment processing fees were deductible - that's actually a significant amount for my business. Is there a good rule of thumb for determining what percentage of my internet and phone to deduct? I use both for business but obviously personal use too.

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Yuki Tanaka

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For internet and phone, you need to determine a reasonable business-use percentage. If you use your cell phone 70% for business and 30% personal, you can deduct 70% of those costs. Just make sure you can justify the percentage if asked. For payment processing fees, absolutely deduct them all! Those PayPal/Stripe/credit card fees add up quickly and are 100% legitimate business expenses. Don't forget the monthly fees plus the per-transaction percentages. Many new business owners miss these, but they can easily add up to thousands of dollars in deductions over a year.

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Carmen Diaz

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Have you considered hiring a CPA? I know it seems like an unnecessary expense, but when I started my business I tried doing it myself and missed so many deductions. I paid $350 for a CPA who specializes in small business taxes and she saved me over $8,000 in taxes my first year! She knew exactly what was deductible and what wasn't for my industry, plus gave me a system for tracking expenses throughout the year that made the next tax season super easy.

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I second this. Using a tax professional my first 2 years taught me how to properly do my taxes. Now I use TurboTax but actually understand what I'm doing. The education alone was worth the fee, and they likely will save you more than their cost.

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One thing nobody's mentioned is that when your parents formed the LLC, did they elect S-Corporation taxation? Many small business owners switch from Schedule C filing to S-Corp status (which requires forming an entity like an LLC first) to save on self-employment taxes. If they did this, the big difference you're seeing might be because with an S-Corp, your parents should be paying themselves a "reasonable salary" which is subject to payroll taxes, with the remaining profit distributed as "distributions" that aren't subject to self-employment tax. This completely changes how income and expenses flow through to the tax return. Ask your parents if they're filing Form 1120-S rather than Schedule C now. That would explain the major differences you're seeing.

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Thank you for this explanation! I just checked and it looks like they ARE filing something called an 1120-S now instead of the Schedule C. So does this mean we're actually making the same amount of money but it just looks different on paper? Could this hurt my chances for need-based scholarships?

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Yes, that's exactly what's happening! With an S-Corporation (Form 1120-S), the income gets reported differently even if the actual money coming in is the same. The business income flows through to your parents' personal return on Schedule E rather than Schedule C. This could definitely impact your need-based scholarships because the FAFSA and many scholarship programs look at adjusted gross income. With an S-Corp structure, sometimes more of the business income flows to the personal return because expenses get handled differently. Your parents should talk to their tax preparer about optimizing their S-Corp approach for both tax savings and financial aid purposes. There are legitimate strategies to properly categorize business expenses on the 1120-S that might help reduce the reported income while still following tax laws correctly.

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Ruby Garcia

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Just to add something nobody mentioned - when your parents switched to an LLC and possibly S-Corp taxation, did they start taking inventory into account differently? This could explain the weird cost of goods sold numbers. With a Schedule C, some small business owners are more casual about inventory tracking. But with an LLC, especially if they've switched to accrual accounting, the timing of when inventory is purchased versus when it's sold can cause huge swings in reported income from year to year.

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This is actually a really good point. When I switched my restaurant to an LLC, we had to change how we tracked inventory and it made our first year look WAY more profitable than it actually was because of timing differences. It evened out the next year.

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Logan Chiang

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I've found that the accuracy of WMR also depends on how you filed. E-filed returns with direct deposit are the most accurate with WMR updates. Paper filed or mailed returns can be super unreliable on the tool. My parents mail their returns every year (they're old school) and WMR barely works for them, but for me with e-file it's spot on.

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Isla Fischer

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Does WMR work differently for amended returns? I filed an amendment about 5 weeks ago and it's still not showing up anywhere.

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Logan Chiang

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Amended returns are completely different! For those, you need to use the "Where's My Amended Return" tool instead of the regular WMR. It's a separate system entirely. Amended returns also take much longer to process - the IRS says to allow up to 16 weeks (although in recent years it's been taking even longer for many people). The tracking for amendments is also much less detailed than regular returns. You'll typically just see "received," "adjusted," or "completed" without the specific deposit information that the regular WMR provides.

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Hey guys major PSA about WMR - if you check it too many times in one day, it will lock you out temporarily! Learned this the hard way when I was obsessively checking every hour lol. Had to wait 24 hours to get back in. So don't be like me 🤣

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Ruby Blake

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OMG this happened to me too!! So frustrating. Does anyone know how many times is "too many" before it locks you out?

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Niko Ramsey

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One thing no one mentioned yet is that the tax brackets changed slightly from last year to this year due to inflation adjustments. So not only did your income go up (putting you in a higher bracket), but the brackets themselves shifted a bit. When combined with withholding that wasn't properly calculated for your new income, that's why you're seeing this difference.

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Is there a simple way to check if your withholding is correct? I just started a new job and don't want to be surprised next April.

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Niko Ramsey

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The IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website that's pretty straightforward to use. You input your income, filing status, and other tax situations, and it calculates whether your current withholding is appropriate or if you need to adjust your W-4. I'd recommend running this calculator midway through the year to make sure you're on track. It's especially important if you have multiple jobs, a working spouse, or any significant changes in your financial situation during the year.

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Jabari-Jo

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This whole system is such a scam. The government knows exactly how much we owe, but they make us figure it out ourselves and then penalize us if we get it wrong. Meanwhile, rich people pay nothing with their fancy accountants finding loopholes. Last year I owed $600 after getting refunds for years and nearly had a heart attack.

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It does seem unnecessarily complicated, but there are some free resources that can help. I've been using the free filing options through the IRS website for years and haven't had any issues. They partner with several tax software companies that offer free filing if your income is below a certain threshold.

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