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Marilyn Dixon

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Don't forget to look into cost segregation studies for your rental properties! Even with income limitations, accelerated depreciation on components of your property can still benefit you long-term by increasing those suspended losses that you'll eventually get to use.

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Cost segregation sounds interesting but complicated. Is it worth it for someone with just two rental properties? And does it require hiring a specialist?

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Darren Brooks

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The passive activity loss rules can be really frustrating when your income crosses that threshold! One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the potential for material participation elections. If you can document significant involvement in your rental activities (not just the real estate professional test, but actual material participation), you might be able to treat some rental income as non-passive. Also, don't overlook the benefits of proper entity structuring. Some rental property owners benefit from holding properties in LLCs or partnerships where the income characterization might be different, though this requires careful planning with a tax professional. The key is to keep meticulous records of everything - time spent, expenses, improvements, etc. Even if you can't use the losses now, they're building up valuable tax benefits for the future. I've seen people with suspended losses from years ago get massive tax savings when they eventually sell their properties or their income situation changes.

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Received IRS withholding compliance program letter - what do I need to do now?

So I'm in a bit of a mess with the IRS and could use some guidance. Back in 2020-2021, my husband was dealing with serious health issues (major heart surgery and complications). During that rough patch, I completely dropped the ball on filing our taxes for 2020 and 2021. Not my proudest moment, but when life hits hard, sometimes things slip through the cracks. I finally got my act together and filed those missing returns about 10 days ago. Went to my regular tax guy, dropped everything off, paid the fee, and thought I was in the clear. We're actually due refunds - around $7,000 for 2020 and $7,300 for 2021. Then today I received this letter from the IRS dated December 8th (definitely after I filed the missing returns). It says I'm being placed on the "withholding compliance program" and something about not being entitled to exemptions. The weird thing is, I don't think I've claimed any special exemptions - just standard withholding from my paycheck at the same job I've had for years. I'm totally confused about: 1. Is this happening because I didn't file those years? Will it resolve itself now that I've filed? 2. What should I say when I call the IRS? I don't even fully understand what I'm asking about. 3. Is it possible I've been doing my taxes wrong for years and they're just catching it now? 4. If I'm consistently getting refunds, doesn't that mean I'm having MORE than enough withheld, not too little? Any advice would be super appreciated!

Natasha Orlova

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Harper, you're definitely not alone in this situation - health emergencies have a way of putting everything else on the back burner, and that's exactly as it should be. Your husband's health was the priority, and you made the right choice focusing on what mattered most. From reading through all the responses here, it's clear that this withholding compliance program letter is just an unfortunate timing issue. The IRS systems that monitor for non-filing patterns work independently from their return processing systems, so the December letter was generated before your recent filings could be reflected in their compliance database. The most encouraging thing about your situation is those consistent large refunds - $7,000+ per year is solid evidence that you're actually overwithholding, not underwithholding. This means the compliance program was triggered purely by the filing gap, not any actual tax withholding issues. When you do call the IRS, I'd suggest framing it this way: "I received a withholding compliance program notice, but I believe it was generated due to late filings from 2020-2021 caused by a family medical emergency. I've since filed both returns and consistently receive large refunds showing proper withholding. Can you confirm this will be resolved once my recent filings are processed?" Having that clear narrative ready will help you feel more confident on the call, and it gives the agent all the key information they need to understand your situation. You're already back in compliance - it's just a matter of letting their systems catch up.

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QuantumQuest

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Natasha, that's such a well-structured way to approach the IRS call! Having that clear narrative ready beforehand would definitely help reduce the anxiety of not knowing what to say. Harper, I wanted to add one more reassuring perspective - as someone new to this community but who has been through tax issues before, the level of helpful, knowledgeable responses you've gotten here really shows how common these situations are. The fact that multiple people have shared similar experiences with the compliance program and successful resolutions should give you confidence that this is very manageable. The medical emergency context is really crucial because it shows the IRS that this wasn't neglect or avoidance, but a legitimate life circumstance that temporarily disrupted your normal responsible tax filing pattern. Combined with your history of getting refunds, it paints a clear picture of someone who pays their taxes properly but had an understandable temporary disruption. I think you're going to find that once you get through to an agent and explain the situation, this resolves much more smoothly than you're probably expecting right now!

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AstroAlpha

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Harper, I'm really sorry to hear about your husband's health struggles - major heart surgery and complications would absolutely take priority over everything else. Please don't be hard on yourself for missing those filings during such a difficult time. Reading through all the responses here, I think you can take a deep breath. This compliance program letter is almost certainly just an automated system flag triggered by those missed 2020-2021 filings, not because you've done anything wrong with your withholding. The timing makes perfect sense - their compliance monitoring system generated the December letter before your recent filings (from 10 days ago) could be processed and updated in their system. Here's what's actually really encouraging about your situation: those consistent large refunds ($7K+ each year) are strong proof that you're having MORE than enough taxes withheld from your paycheck, not less. The IRS compliance program targets people who consistently underwithhold, but you're clearly in the opposite situation. When you call the IRS, I'd recommend having this simple explanation ready: "I received a withholding compliance notice, but I believe it was triggered by late 2020-2021 filings due to my husband's medical emergency. I've now filed both returns and consistently receive large refunds showing I'm not underwithholding. Will this be resolved automatically once my recent filings are processed?" The systems just need time to catch up and recognize that you're back in compliance. You've already done the hard part by getting those returns filed!

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GalaxyGazer

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Does anyone know if the S corp election date on your acceptance letter can be different from what you requested on Form 2553? I selected "beginning of tax year" on my form but I'm worried they might assign a different date.

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Oliver Wagner

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Yes, this absolutely can happen. I requested Jan 1 effective date but submitted in March (still within the 75-day window). The IRS assigned me March 15 as my effective date instead of the Jan 1 date I requested. Created a huge headache since I had to file as a different entity type for part of the year. Make sure you submit within the deadlines if you want a specific date!

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Yuki Yamamoto

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I went through this exact same situation about 6 months ago and completely understand the anxiety! The IRS processing times for Form 2553 have been really inconsistent lately - some people get their acceptance letters in 3-4 weeks, others wait 8-10 weeks or more. Since you're at 4 weeks, I'd give it another 2-3 weeks before getting too worried. However, if you have upcoming quarterly filings that depend on knowing your S Corp status, here are a few things that helped me: 1. Keep detailed records of when you submitted Form 2553 (certified mail receipt, fax confirmation, etc.) 2. If you need to file quarterly taxes before receiving confirmation, you can proceed based on your intended election date, but include a note explaining the situation 3. The IRS Business Tax Line (800-829-4933) can sometimes provide status updates, though wait times are brutal The acceptance letter will definitely show your effective date clearly, so once you get it, you'll have everything you need. In my case, my effective date matched exactly what I requested on the form since I submitted within the proper timeframe. Hang in there - the letter should arrive soon!

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Emma Swift

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This is really helpful advice, thank you! I'm actually in almost the exact same timeline as the original poster - submitted my Form 2553 about 4 weeks ago and getting anxious about quarterly filings. Your point about keeping detailed records is spot on. I sent mine via certified mail so at least I have proof of delivery. Did you end up having to make any corrections or adjustments after you finally got your acceptance letter, or did everything align with what you expected based on your original filing?

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As someone who just went through this exact decision process, I wanted to share what I learned that might help others avoid some confusion. The distinction everyone's discussing is absolutely correct - it comes down to whether the solar component generates electricity for your home or just powers the device itself. But here's what I wish someone had told me earlier: even within the "solar-powered skylights" category, there are different subcategories that affect your credit calculation. I ended up installing Velux Solar Powered Venting Skylights, and while they fall under the Section 25C credit (with the $3,200 annual limit), they qualified as "exterior windows, doors, and skylights" which has its own sublimit of $600 per year for windows and skylights specifically, separate from the overall $3,200 cap. This was a surprise because I was planning my improvements thinking I had more of that $3,200 available for other items. The $600 skylights sublimit, plus the $2,000 HVAC sublimit, plus other qualified improvements can add up to the $3,200 total pretty quickly. My advice: when you call manufacturers for technical specs (which is definitely the right approach), also ask them which specific subcategory of the energy credit their products typically fall under. The IRS has different sublimits for different types of improvements, and understanding this upfront can really help with planning your renovation timing and maximizing your credits.

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Marcus Marsh

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This is exactly the kind of detail that makes tax planning so tricky! Thank you for sharing the specific sublimit information - I had no idea there was a separate $600 limit for windows and skylights within the overall $3,200 cap. That's a huge planning consideration. So if I'm understanding correctly, for solar-powered skylights under Section 25C, you're looking at: - $600 annual limit specifically for the skylights themselves - $2,000 annual limit for qualifying HVAC equipment - $3,200 overall annual limit for all Section 25C improvements combined This means if you max out the skylight and HVAC sublimits ($600 + $2,000 = $2,600), you'd only have $600 left for other qualifying improvements like insulation, doors, etc. When you called Velux, did they provide documentation about which specific subcategory their products fall under, or did you have to figure that out from IRS publications? I'm wondering if other manufacturers are as clear about these distinctions since it seems like most people (myself included until reading this thread) focus on the overall credit limits without realizing there are these subcategory restrictions. This definitely changes my renovation timeline planning!

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Beth Ford

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Wow, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm a newcomer to the community and was completely overwhelmed trying to figure out energy tax credits for my planned home improvements. Reading through everyone's experiences and advice has saved me from making some expensive mistakes. The key takeaway I'm getting is that most "solar skylights" on the market are really just energy-efficient skylights with solar-powered operation, which puts them under Section 25C with the $3,200 annual limit - not the unlimited Section 25D credit for actual solar electric systems. What really opened my eyes was learning about the sublimits within that $3,200 cap. I had no idea there was a separate $600 limit specifically for skylights and windows. This completely changes how I need to plan my improvements across tax years. For anyone else just starting this research, the advice about calling manufacturers directly for technical specifications seems invaluable. Having official documentation about whether your specific products generate electricity for home use (Section 25D) or just power device operation (Section 25C) appears to be crucial for proper tax filing and potential audit protection. I'm definitely going to use some of the resources mentioned here to analyze my planned purchases before moving forward. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences - it's so much more helpful than trying to decode IRS publications alone!

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Welcome to the community, Beth! I'm also relatively new here and have found this discussion incredibly helpful. Your summary really captures the key points that took me a while to understand when I first started researching these credits. One thing I'd add from my recent experience - when you do call manufacturers for those technical specifications, also ask them if they have any tax credit documentation or guidance specifically prepared for customers. Some of the larger manufacturers like Velux have started providing detailed tax credit guides that explain exactly which IRS category their products fall under, which can save you from having to interpret the technical specs yourself. Also, if you're planning multiple improvements, I found it helpful to create a simple spreadsheet tracking each item's cost, which credit category it falls under, and which sublimit applies. This way you can model different scenarios for timing your purchases across tax years to maximize your total credits. The sublimit structure really does make planning crucial! Good luck with your home improvements, and thanks for joining the discussion!

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CosmicCowboy

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Great advice from everyone here! As someone who works in tax preparation, I just wanted to emphasize a few key points for anyone else reading this thread: 1. **Report it regardless** - Even if you never receive a W-2G form from the lottery commission, you're still legally obligated to report the full $5,000 as "Other Income" on your tax return. 2. **Estimated taxes** - Since no taxes were withheld, you might want to consider making an estimated tax payment for Q4 2024 if this win significantly increases your tax liability. This can help you avoid underpayment penalties. 3. **State considerations** - Don't forget to check your state's lottery tax rules. Some states have different thresholds for when they issue tax forms or withhold taxes. 4. **Keep everything** - Save any receipts, photos, bank deposit records, or other documentation related to this win. The IRS can ask for proof up to 3 years after you file. The good news is that lottery winnings are straightforward to report compared to other types of gambling income. TurboTax and other tax software handle this really well, so you should be all set for next year's filing season!

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Liam Cortez

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This is really helpful information! I'm completely new to dealing with any kind of tax situation like this. Could you explain a bit more about what you mean by "estimated tax payment for Q4 2024"? How would I figure out if I need to do that, and how do I actually make one? I've never had to deal with anything beyond just filing my regular W-2 taxes once a year. Also, when you say "underpayment penalties" - what kind of penalties are we talking about? I definitely don't want to mess this up!

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Great questions! Let me break this down for you: **Estimated Tax Payments**: These are quarterly payments you make to the IRS when you have income that doesn't have taxes automatically withheld (like your lottery win). For Q4 2024, the deadline would be January 15, 2025. You'd use Form 1040ES to calculate and make the payment. **Do you need to make one?** Generally, if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes when you file, and you haven't paid at least 90% of this year's tax liability through withholding/previous estimated payments, you might need to make an estimated payment to avoid penalties. **Underpayment penalties** are typically around 8% annually on the amount you underpaid, calculated from when the payment was due. For a $5,000 win, you're probably looking at owing around $1,200-1,500 in additional federal taxes (rough estimate), so the penalty might be $100-150 if you don't make an estimated payment. **How to pay**: You can make estimated payments online at irs.gov/payments, by phone, or mail a check with Form 1040ES. My honest advice? Given that this is a one-time thing and you're new to this, you might just pay any penalty when you file rather than dealing with estimated payments. The penalty probably won't be huge, and it keeps things simpler for you.

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Serene Snow

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Hey there! Congrats on your big win! I just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through this exact situation before. A few years back I won $4,800 on a scratch-off and was totally clueless about the tax implications. One thing I didn't see mentioned yet - if you're planning to buy more lottery tickets or do any other gambling before the end of the year, keep detailed records of ALL your gambling activity (wins AND losses). Even if you don't think you'll have enough losses to itemize deductions, it's good to have the documentation just in case your situation changes. Also, since you mentioned using TurboTax - when you get to the gambling winnings section next year, make sure you enter the GROSS amount you won ($5,000), not the amount after you might have spent on other tickets that day. I made that mistake my first time and had to file an amended return. The cash payout thing threw me off too initially, but as others mentioned, the lottery commission will handle sending you the tax forms. Just make sure your address is up to date with them if you move between now and tax season! You're being smart by asking these questions early. Shows you're taking it seriously, which is exactly the right approach with the IRS.

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This is such great advice, especially about keeping detailed records of ALL gambling activity! I'm really new to this community and to dealing with any kind of tax complexity beyond my regular W-2, so all these tips are incredibly helpful. The point about entering the GROSS amount is something I definitely wouldn't have thought of - I can totally see how someone might accidentally subtract other ticket purchases from that day. Did you have any trouble with the IRS when you had to file the amended return, or was it pretty straightforward to fix? Also, when you say keep detailed records of wins and losses, what's the best way to do that? Like should I be writing down every single scratch-off ticket I buy from now on, even the $1 and $2 ones? I'm not a big gambler usually, but after this win I might be tempted to try my luck a bit more often! Thanks for sharing your experience - it really helps to hear from someone who's actually been through this exact situation before.

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