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Something important: MAKE COPIES OF EVERYTHING before you mail it! I sent in a late return last year and the IRS somehow lost it. Having copies saved my butt when I had to send it again. Also, if you owe money, don't forget you can set up a payment plan if the amount with penalties is too much to pay at once. You can apply for an installment agreement using Form 9465.
Definitely this!!! And send it certified mail with return receipt requested so you have proof they received it. Saved me SO much hassle when they tried claiming they never got my 2020 return.
Just wanted to add something that might help - if you're really stressed about the penalties and interest that have accumulated since 2019, you might qualify for penalty relief under "reasonable cause" provisions. Since you mentioned your ex was handling finances and you genuinely didn't know about the unfiled return, that could potentially qualify. You'd need to include a letter explaining your circumstances when you mail your return. The IRS considers things like reliance on a tax professional or spouse, serious illness, or other circumstances beyond your control. It's worth a shot - worst case they say no, but I've seen people get penalties reduced or eliminated this way. Also, double-check that you're using your current address on the return, not your 2019 address, so any correspondence reaches you. And like others said, certified mail is absolutely essential - treat this like you're mailing something precious because basically you are!
This is really helpful advice about the reasonable cause provisions! I had no idea that was even an option. My situation is pretty similar - my ex handled everything and I'm just now discovering all this mess years later. Do you know if there's a specific form I need to fill out for the penalty relief request, or is it just a written explanation? And should I send that letter with my original return or wait to see what penalties they assess first?
I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here - it's reassuring to know this isn't an uncommon mistake! Based on what I'm reading, it sounds like while this is definitely something that needs to be fixed, it's not the end-of-the-world catastrophe I was worried it might be. A few follow-up questions as I'm processing all this great advice: 1. Should I stop my brother-in-law's payroll immediately (like this week) or wait until we have a correction plan in place? I don't want to create more complications by stopping mid-quarter. 2. For the amended returns, does anyone know roughly how long the IRS typically takes to process the refunds for overpaid payroll taxes? We could really use that money back to help with cash flow. 3. The S-Corp election option sounds interesting for the future, but given that we're already dealing with missing 2023 returns and other tax issues, I'm thinking we should probably get everything cleaned up first before making any major tax structure changes. Does that make sense? Thanks again to everyone who's taken the time to share their knowledge and experiences. This community has been incredibly helpful during what's been a pretty stressful situation!
Great questions! Here are my thoughts based on what I've seen with similar situations: 1. **Stop payroll immediately** - Don't wait for a correction plan. Continuing the incorrect W-2 payments just creates more quarters to amend later. You can stop it now and your CPA can handle the corrections retroactively. Mid-quarter stops are totally fine - happens all the time with employee terminations. 2. **IRS refund timing** - In my experience, payroll tax refunds typically take 6-12 weeks once they receive the amended 941-X forms. However, if you're already behind on other filings, they might hold refunds until everything is current. The good news is that payroll tax refunds tend to be processed faster than income tax refunds. 3. **Absolutely wait on S-Corp election** - You're 100% right to focus on cleaning up the existing issues first. Making an S-Corp election while you have unfiled returns and payroll corrections pending would just add unnecessary complexity. Get current with all filings, fix the payroll issue, then evaluate S-Corp status for next year. One more tip - when you do stop the payroll, make sure to document the exact date and reason (correcting sole proprietor classification error) in your records. This helps your CPA tell a clear story to the IRS about what happened and why. You're handling this really well given all the moving pieces!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a very similar situation with my consulting LLC where I've been paying myself W-2 wages for the past 6 months before realizing the mistake. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is how to handle the Social Security and Medicare credits that were earned from those incorrect W-2 wages. When we file the corrected W-2c showing zero wages, does that also eliminate the Social Security credits that were posted to my earnings record? I'm wondering if there's a way to preserve those credits since I would have been paying self-employment tax on that income anyway as a sole proprietor - just through a different mechanism. Has anyone dealt with this aspect of the correction process? Also, for those who mentioned getting professional help with the amendments - did your CPAs charge significantly more for this type of correction work compared to regular tax prep? I'm trying to budget for the cleanup costs. Thanks for all the detailed experiences shared here. It's making a stressful situation much more manageable knowing others have successfully navigated this!
Great question about the Social Security credits! You're absolutely right to be concerned about this aspect. When you file the corrected W-2c showing zero wages, it will indeed remove those quarters of Social Security earnings from your record with the SSA. However, as a sole proprietor, you'll still get Social Security credits when you pay self-employment tax on that same income through Schedule SE. The credits will just be reported differently - through your Schedule C business income rather than W-2 wages. So you won't actually lose the credits, they'll just be reclassified to the correct source. The key is making sure your CPA properly reports the income on Schedule C when filing your tax return for those periods. The self-employment tax you'll pay (15.3%) actually covers the same Social Security and Medicare contributions that were being taken out of your incorrect W-2 wages, just through the self-employment system instead of payroll. As for CPA costs, most of the professionals I've worked with charge by complexity rather than just time for these corrections. In my experience, expect to pay somewhere between $500-1500 for the amendment process depending on how many quarters need to be corrected and your local market rates. The good news is that the payroll tax refunds usually more than cover these professional fees. You're smart to think about all these interconnected pieces - shows you're approaching this systematically!
I can definitely relate to your frustration! I went through the exact same situation with my 1040X filing last year. Like others have mentioned, the IRS automatically issues paper checks for ALL amended return refunds - it's just their standard policy regardless of whether you provided direct deposit information or how you filed. Your 846 code with the 3/24 date is actually excellent news! That code means your refund has been officially issued and the check was likely mailed on or around that date. You should expect to receive it within 7-14 business days from 3/24, so it could arrive any day now. The "Where's My Amended Return" tool becoming unhelpful after processing is unfortunately normal. Once the IRS processes your amendment and issues the refund, their system considers the case "complete" and stops providing tracking information. It's definitely not user-friendly from our perspective! Your IPPIN wouldn't affect any of this - that's completely separate from the refund processing system. If you don't receive your check within the next week or so (given it's now been over 2 weeks since the 3/24 date), I'd recommend calling the IRS at 800-829-1040 to verify they have your correct mailing address and confirm the check was sent. They can also start a payment trace if needed. Hang in there - based on your timeline, your check should be arriving very soon!
This is really reassuring to hear from someone who's been through the exact same process! I've been checking my mailbox obsessively since I saw that 846 code appear. It's now been about 3 weeks since the 3/24 date, so I'm starting to get a bit worried. I think I'll call the IRS tomorrow to double-check the mailing address. I did move about 8 months ago and while I have mail forwarding set up, I want to make sure they're not sending it to my old address. Better to be safe than sorry, especially with a refund check! Thanks for the tip about the payment trace option too. It's good to know there's a backup plan if the check really did get lost somewhere. The whole amended return process has been so much more stressful than I expected, mainly because of how little information is available about what to expect.
I completely understand your frustration! I went through this exact same situation about 6 months ago with my amended return. The lack of clear information from the IRS about their amended return policies is really maddening. Just to echo what others have said - the paper check policy for ALL 1040X refunds is absolutely standard, regardless of your direct deposit information. It caught me off guard too since my original return was direct deposited without any issues. Your 846 code with the 3/24 date is definitely a positive sign - that means your refund was processed and issued. However, since it's now been over 3 weeks from that date, I'd strongly recommend calling the IRS at 800-829-1040 to verify two things: 1) that they have your correct current address, and 2) to confirm the check was actually mailed. If you've moved in the past year or two, this is especially important. The IRS doesn't automatically receive address updates from USPS forwarding services, so there's a real possibility it could have been sent to an old address. When you call, they should be able to read you the exact address they have on file. If it turns out the check was lost or sent to the wrong address, they can start a payment trace and eventually issue a replacement. It's frustrating to have to jump through these hoops, but at least there are options to resolve it. Hope you get your refund soon!
I totally feel your stress about this! I went through the exact same thing last year and was convinced I owed the IRS money when I saw that 291 code. But here's the good news - that -$1,910.00 is actually money coming TO you! š The negative sign means it's a credit to your account, not a debt. I know it's super confusing because it's backwards from what you'd normally expect. Code 291 "Reduced or removed prior tax assessed" basically means the IRS looked at your return again (probably because of that amended return you filed in October) and said "whoops, we charged you too much tax originally." So they're correcting it in your favor! The refund freeze from March has probably been holding everything up, but once that releases you should see an 846 code appear - that's when they actually cut the check. Pro tip from this community: check your transcript every Friday morning since that's when they typically post updates. From what I've seen, it usually takes 4-6 weeks from the 291 code to getting the 846 refund code. You're definitely getting that money - just gotta wait for the IRS to work through their backlog! Keep checking and stay patient! š°
This thread has been such a lifesaver! I'm literally in the exact same situation with a 291 code showing -$2,145 and have been panicking for weeks thinking I somehow messed up my taxes š° It's so reassuring to hear from people who've actually been through this process. The whole negative sign being GOOD news thing is so counterintuitive - why does the IRS have to make everything so confusing?? I've been randomly checking my transcript like 5 times a day but definitely switching to the Friday morning strategy now. Really appreciate everyone sharing their timelines and experiences - makes this whole thing feel way less scary when you know other people have navigated it successfully! š
I've been dealing with IRS transcript codes for years and can confirm that -$1,910.00 with code 291 is definitely money coming TO you! š The negative sign on IRS transcripts means it's a credit to your account - I know it's confusing because it's backwards from normal accounting. Code 291 "Reduced or removed prior tax assessed" means they reviewed your return (likely triggered by your October amended return) and found you were overcharged originally. The refund freeze from March has probably been holding things up, but once that releases you should see an 846 code appear on your transcript - that's the actual refund issuance code. Check every Friday morning for updates since that's when they typically post changes. Based on what others have shared here, expect 4-6 weeks from seeing 291 to getting 846, then 1-2 weeks for the money to hit your account. You're definitely getting that $1,910 - just need patience with IRS processing times! š°
This is so helpful! I've been lurking in this community for a while but never posted because I was too embarrassed to admit how confused I get by all these IRS codes š Seeing everyone share their experiences makes me feel way less alone in this. That tip about checking Friday mornings is gold - I've been randomly refreshing my transcript like every few hours which is probably driving me crazy for no reason. It's wild how the IRS makes a negative sign actually mean positive news for us! Thanks for breaking it down so clearly - definitely bookmarking this thread for future reference š
Sofia Martinez
23 Has anyone successfully disputed a 1099-C amount? The debt that was charged off in my case included a ton of late fees and interest that got tacked on after I stopped paying. Seems unfair to pay taxes on all that extra stuff they added!
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Sofia Martinez
ā¢5 You can dispute the amount on a 1099-C if you believe it's incorrect. Contact the creditor first with documentation of what you believe the correct amount should be. If they won't correct it, you can report what you believe is the correct amount on your tax return and attach a statement explaining the discrepancy. Keep in mind that the original debt plus all accumulated interest and fees that you had use of (borrowed money) is generally considered income when canceled. However, if certain fees or penalties were added after you defaulted and never had use of those funds, you might have a case for excluding that portion.
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QuantumQuasar
I went through a similar situation last year with a charged-off credit card debt. Here's what I learned from my experience: 1) The IRS doesn't provide copies of 1099-C forms directly, but you can get a "Wage and Income Transcript" online through their website that shows all tax documents filed under your SSN. This is usually available immediately if you can verify your identity online. 2) Even if the creditor didn't send you the form, you're still legally required to report canceled debt as income if it exceeds $600. The IRS receives copies of all 1099-C forms, so they'll know about it even if you don't. 3) Before you panic about owing taxes on the full amount, definitely look into the insolvency exclusion using Form 982. If your total debts exceeded your total assets when the debt was canceled, you might not owe any taxes on it at all. 4) For legal action against the creditor - honestly, it's probably not worth pursuing. The penalties for late filing are usually minimal, and your energy is better spent getting the correct information and filing properly. I'd recommend getting that transcript ASAP and consulting with a tax professional if the amount is significant. Don't let this delay your filing - you have options even without the physical form.
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William Schwarz
ā¢This is really helpful, thank you! I'm definitely going to try getting that Wage and Income Transcript online first since that sounds like the fastest option. Quick question about the insolvency exclusion - when you say "total debts exceeded total assets," does that include the fair market value of things like my car and house, or just liquid assets? I was pretty much broke when this happened but I did own a car (though it was probably worth less than what I owed on it) and had some equity in my home. Also, did you end up needing to provide documentation of your insolvency to the IRS, or do they just trust the Form 982 unless you get audited?
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