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Emma Davis

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I've been a small business owner for 6 years and the tax situation REALLY depends on your business structure: Sole Prop / LLC (default): Revenue minus expenses (including employee wages) = your profit. You pay BOTH income tax AND self-employment tax (15.3%) on all profits. S-Corp: You pay yourself a reasonable salary (subject to payroll taxes) PLUS you can take distributions from remaining profits (NOT subject to self-employment tax). C-Corp: The business itself pays corporate tax on profits after all expenses. Then you pay personal income tax on whatever salary the business pays you. Double taxation but some advantages for reinvestment. Your tax advisor can run the numbers based on your specific situation, but generally S-Corps become advantageous once you're making $80K+ in profit.

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Malik Johnson

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I keep hearing "reasonable salary" for S-Corps but what does that actually mean? How do you determine what's reasonable vs taking too much as distributions? I don't want to get flagged by the IRS.

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Lena MΓΌller

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Reasonable" salary basically means what'you d pay someone else to do your job in your industry and location. The IRS looks at factors like your role, responsibilities, hours worked, experience, and comparable salaries for similar positions. For example, if'you re a consultant who would normally earn $80K as an employee doing the same work, you'can t pay yourself just $30K salary and take $100K in distributions. That would trigger an audit. A good rule of thumb is to look at salary surveys for your (profession Bureau of Labor Statistics, Glassdoor,) etc. and pay yourself somewhere in that range. Some accountants suggest around 60-70% of profits as salary, but it really depends on your specific situation. The key is being able to justify it if the IRSasks.

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Taylor To

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This is exactly the confusion I had when I started my consulting firm! The good news is that employee wages are definitely deductible business expenses, so you're only taxed on profits AFTER paying your team. With your projected numbers ($280K revenue, $160K payroll), you'd be looking at roughly $120K in taxable profit (minus other business expenses like office rent, equipment, etc.). One thing to consider early: if you're planning to hire employees vs. contractors, there are different tax implications. W-2 employees require you to withhold and pay employment taxes, while 1099 contractors handle their own taxes but have stricter classification rules. Also, with $120K+ in expected profit, the S-Corp election could save you significant money on self-employment taxes. You'd pay yourself a reasonable salary (maybe $60-80K based on consulting industry standards) and take the rest as distributions. The salary gets hit with payroll taxes, but distributions only face income tax. Definitely recommend talking to a tax professional before making the S-Corp election though - there are deadlines and it's hard to undo once you make the choice.

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Anna Xian

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This is really helpful! I'm in a similar situation and wondering about the timing of the S-Corp election. You mentioned there are deadlines - is it something I need to decide before starting the business, or can I wait and see how the first year goes? Also, when you say "hard to undo" - what exactly makes it difficult to switch back if the S-Corp structure doesn't work out as expected?

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Amara Nwosu

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This sounds exactly like what happened to me with my 2023 amended return! I received my first payment of $3,247 in early February, then got a letter about three weeks later notifying me of an additional $2,891 refund. The IRS agent I spoke with explained that they often process the "straightforward" tax adjustments first (like corrected income or deduction changes), then handle the more complex refundable credits in a separate batch. In my case, the second payment was specifically for the Additional Child Tax Credit that I had claimed on my amendment. The letter should clearly state what portion of your amendment the $3,809 covers - probably a specific credit like CTC, EITC, or ACTC. Your total of $7,901 is very close to your expected $8,000, so this definitely looks legitimate rather than an error!

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Mei Chen

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now - got my first amended return payment two weeks ago and just received a letter yesterday about additional funds coming. Your breakdown about the IRS processing "straightforward" adjustments first versus complex credits separately makes so much sense. I was starting to worry there was some kind of error, but hearing that your timeline and amounts were so similar to what OP is experiencing really puts my mind at ease. Did you have to do anything special to receive the second payment, or did it just automatically process after the letter was sent?

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Jamal Brown

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This is completely normal for amended returns! I went through the exact same thing with my 2023 amendment - received the first payment in January for about $2,800, then got a CP21B notice three weeks later for an additional $1,950. The IRS typically processes basic tax adjustments (like corrected W-2s or deduction changes) in the first payment, then handles refundable credits like EITC, CTC, or ACTC separately. Your math adds up perfectly: $4,092 + $3,809 = $7,901, which is very close to your expected $8,000. The small difference is likely interest they added or a minor calculation adjustment. Check your IRS online account transcript - both payments should show there with specific codes indicating what each payment covers. No action needed on your part, the second payment should arrive within 2-3 weeks of the letter date.

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Ava Hernandez

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I was in almost the exact same situation last year! I gave my daughter a substantial gift for her wedding and was completely confused about the filing requirements. After doing a lot of research and speaking with a tax professional, I can confirm what others have said - you absolutely do NOT need to file a 1040 just because you're filing Form 709. The key thing to understand is that gift tax filing requirements are completely independent from income tax filing requirements. Form 709 is due April 15th (same deadline as 1040) but it's processed separately. Since you had no reportable income, you're not required to file a 1040, period. One tip - when you file your 709, make sure you keep detailed records of the gift amount and recipient information. This helps with tracking your lifetime exclusion usage for future gifts. Also, double-check that your gift amount actually requires Form 709 filing - if it was under the annual exclusion amount ($17,000 for 2023), you might not need to file at all!

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CosmicCowboy

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! This is really helpful. Quick question - when you say "substantial gift," are we talking about the same ballpark as college tuition? I'm trying to figure out if my gift amount definitely requires the 709 or if I might be overthinking this. The annual exclusion limit seems pretty low compared to what college costs these days.

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I just want to echo what everyone else has confirmed here - you definitely don't need to file Form 1040 alongside your Form 709. I actually called the IRS about this exact question a few months ago when I was helping my brother with a similar situation. The IRS representative was very clear that these are completely separate filing requirements. Form 709 is specifically for reporting gifts that exceed the annual exclusion amount, while Form 1040 is for reporting income. Having zero income doesn't create a filing requirement just because you're submitting a gift tax return. One thing I learned that might help you - make sure you're clear on what constitutes a "gift" versus other types of transfers. If this was truly a gift with no expectation of repayment, then yes, Form 709 is the right form. But if there's any arrangement for your niece to pay you back (even informally), that changes things. Also, keep in mind that filing Form 709 doesn't necessarily mean you'll owe any gift tax. Most people never actually pay gift tax because of the lifetime exclusion amount (over $12 million currently). The form is mainly for tracking purposes so the IRS can monitor your lifetime exclusion usage.

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Peyton Clarke

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One thing none of these comments mentioned - the SALT cap is scheduled to expire after 2025! So if you're buying a home now, in just a couple years the cap might go away and you could potentially deduct your full SALT amount again. Of course, Congress could extend the cap or create a new limit, but it's worth keeping in mind for long-term planning.

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That's really good to know! So theoretically, if I buy this house now, I might only be limited by the $10k cap for a couple years before potentially being able to deduct the full amount? That would definitely change my calculations.

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Vince Eh

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I wouldn't count on that... The government is deeply in debt and removing the SALT cap would be a massive tax cut primarily benefiting higher-income households. My bet is they either extend it or replace it with something similar. But you're right that it's technically set to expire.

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StellarSurfer

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Great discussion everyone! As someone who went through this exact analysis last year, I wanted to add a few practical tips for @cc288379ec13: 1. Don't forget about PMI - if you're putting less than 20% down, your mortgage insurance premiums are also deductible (subject to income limits). This can add another $1-3k to your itemized deductions. 2. Track your charitable contributions more carefully once you're itemizing. Even small donations to Goodwill, church offerings, etc. can add up to meaningful deductions. 3. Consider timing some deductions strategically. For example, if you're close to the itemizing threshold, you might want to bunch charitable contributions into alternating years to maximize the benefit. The $18k property tax you mentioned is indeed high, but if you're in a state like NY, NJ, or CA, that's unfortunately pretty normal for decent areas. Just make sure you factor in the tax benefits when comparing the total cost of homeownership vs. renting. One last thing - property taxes can increase over time, but your deduction will still be capped at $10k, so factor that into your long-term planning.

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Zara Malik

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This is really helpful advice, especially about the PMI deduction - I hadn't even thought about that! I'm planning to put down 15% so that would definitely apply to me. Quick question about the charitable contributions tracking - do I need to keep receipts for everything, even small donations? And for things like Goodwill donations, how do you determine the fair market value of donated items? Also, the strategic timing of deductions is interesting. Could you give an example of how that "bunching" strategy would work in practice? Like if I'm right at the edge of whether itemizing makes sense, how would I time things differently? The property tax concern is real - I'm looking in a NJ suburb and yeah, $18k seems to be the norm for anything decent. It's painful but at least now I understand how the tax math works out!

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Luca Marino

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I'm honestly shocked by how many ppl think the IRS has the resources to handle the volume they get. They're processing ~2.5 MILLION returns per week with Reagan-era computers and half the staff they need. The fact that anyone gets their refund within 21 days is a miracle.

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Nia Davis

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This. People don't realize how ancient their systems are. They're literally running on COBOL and can't find programmers who know it anymore because it's from the 1960s.

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I'm in almost the exact same situation - filed 3/15, accepted same day, and still showing "still being processed" (not just "being processed"). Based on what others have said here about the wording difference, sounds like we're both stuck in manual review. The child tax credit you mentioned is probably what triggered it since those are getting extra scrutiny this year. I've been checking my transcript obsessively but no codes like 570 or 971 either. Just the waiting game at this point. At least now I know it could be 30-120 days for manual review instead of the mythical 21 days they advertise. Hang in there!

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Thanks for sharing your timeline! It's actually reassuring to know I'm not the only one dealing with this. The "still being processed" vs "being processed" distinction was a total game changer - I had no idea there was even a difference in wording. Makes sense that the child tax credit would trigger extra review given all the fraud issues they've been dealing with. 30-120 days is such a huge range though! Guess we're both just going to have to practice patience. At least we know what's happening now instead of wondering if our returns disappeared into the void.

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