


Ask the community...
Since FUTA came up - anyone else find the deadline for filing Form 940 (federal unemployment tax return) super confusing? Is it January 31 or is it the same as the quarterly deposit schedule? I've heard different things from different sources and I don't want to mess up.
Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who's been through this recently. When I was setting up payroll for my landscaping business, I found it helpful to think of FUTA as "unemployment insurance that I pay for my employees." It's separate from everything else that shows up on paystubs. One thing that caught me off guard was that the $7,000 wage base resets every January 1st, so if you have year-round employees, you'll pay FUTA on their wages again starting in January even if they exceeded $7,000 the previous year. Also, don't forget that some payments to employees (like certain fringe benefits) might not count toward the $7,000 base - worth double-checking if you offer things like health insurance or other benefits. Good luck with your QuickBooks setup! The learning curve is steep at first but it gets much easier once you understand the basics.
This is really helpful, thank you! The "unemployment insurance that I pay for my employees" way of thinking about it makes it so much clearer. I hadn't even thought about the January reset - that's definitely something I need to keep in mind for next year when planning cash flow. Quick question about the fringe benefits part - I'm planning to offer health insurance to my employees once we grow a bit more. Do you know if the employer portion of health insurance premiums counts toward that $7,000 wage base or not? Want to make sure I understand this correctly before I start offering benefits.
Has anyone had success fighting a CP2000 for HSA distributions online through the IRS response portal rather than mailing everything? I'm wondering if I should just use their online system or if it's better to send a physical response with all my documentation.
I used the online response system last year for my CP2000 and it worked great. Make sure you scan all your supporting docs clearly and upload them as PDFs. I got a faster response (about 4 weeks) than my brother who mailed his (took almost 3 months).
I dealt with this exact same situation last year! You're absolutely right to question it - HSA distributions for qualified medical expenses shouldn't be taxable. The problem is that the IRS computer system sees your 1099-SA showing the distribution but doesn't automatically know it was for qualified expenses. Even though your 1099-SA has Distribution Code 1, you still need to file Form 8889 with your tax return to officially report to the IRS that these were qualified medical expenses. Without Form 8889, their system assumes the entire distribution is taxable income. For your CP2000 response, I'd recommend: 1. Complete Form 8889 for the tax year showing your qualified medical expenses 2. Include copies of your 1099-SA forms 3. Attach receipts or documentation for the medical expenses that match your distribution amounts 4. Write a cover letter explaining that these were qualified medical expenses Keep copies of everything you send! The IRS should accept your explanation once they see the proper documentation. I went through this process and they completely reversed the proposed tax after reviewing my Form 8889 and supporting documents.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm in a similar situation and was panicking when I got my CP2000. One question - when you say "attach receipts or documentation for the medical expenses," do these need to be for the exact same amounts as shown on the 1099-SA? Like if my distribution was $4,730, do I need receipts that add up to exactly that amount, or is it okay if I have more medical expenses than the distribution amount?
I saw one where it shows the IRS as Michael Scott from The Office saying "I am not superstitious, but I am a little stitious" with the caption "The IRS requiring receipts for exactly $599 but not $600" and I think about it every time I do my self-employment taxes.
Wait is that actually true? I thought the threshold was $600 for 1099s? I've been tracking all my freelance income but now I'm confused...
The "calculating if I can claim my plants as dependents" one absolutely sent me! š My personal favorite is the one with someone frantically digging through a mountain of papers captioned "Me looking for that ONE receipt from 8 months ago that might save me $3 in taxes." There's also this classic with Drake pointing - "Doing taxes myself" (disapproving Drake) vs "Paying someone else to do them and pretending I understand what they did" (approving Drake). Hits way too close to home! Anyone else relate to the meme where it's like "January: I'm going to be so organized with my receipts this year" followed by "April: *shoebox full of crumpled receipts*"? That's literally my life story every single year.
The shoebox full of crumpled receipts is SO relatable! š I start every year swearing I'll use an app to track expenses and by March I'm literally photographing gas station receipts with my phone at 11 PM trying to remember what they were for. That Drake meme is spot on too - there's something oddly comforting about paying someone else to deal with the chaos and just nodding along when they explain deductions like I totally knew that already. The plant dependents one still makes me chuckle every time I look at my houseplants though!
Have you considered the Medicare surtax implications? At your income level, you'll be subject to the additional 0.9% Medicare surtax on earned income above $250k (married). By taking $325k as salary and the rest as distributions, you're minimizing the income subject to this surtax. Also worth noting that all your income (both salary and distributions) will still be subject to the 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax for income above $250k married. So while you're saving on the FICA taxes for distributions, you're not escaping all the medicare-related surtaxes completely.
I thought S Corp distributions weren't subject to the 3.8% NIIT since they're business income, not investment income? My CPA told me only my investment portfolio gets hit with NIIT, not my S Corp distributions.
You're absolutely correct! S Corp distributions are generally NOT subject to the 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) because they're considered ordinary business income from active participation, not passive investment income. The NIIT typically applies to things like dividends, capital gains, rental income (if you're not a real estate professional), and other investment-type income. So for Holly's situation, only the salary portion ($325k) would be subject to Medicare taxes (including the 0.9% surtax on amounts over $250k), while the distributions would avoid both regular Medicare tax AND the NIIT. This makes the S Corp structure even more advantageous than James suggested. The key is that you need to be actively involved in the business generating the income. Since Holly is actively working as a physician generating this income through her contracts, the distributions should qualify as exempt from NIIT.
As someone who went through a similar decision process, I'd strongly recommend sticking with your S Corp setup. At your income level ($1.1M), the employment tax savings alone make it worthwhile. Here's a quick breakdown: With your proposed $325K salary, you'll pay Medicare/Social Security taxes on that amount. The remaining ~$613K in distributions (after your $32K expenses and $130K retirement contributions) will avoid the 15.3% self-employment tax that you'd pay if you were a sole proprietor, or the Medicare taxes you'd face on a W2. The employment tax savings on that $613K distribution should be around $9,400 (1.45% Medicare tax) plus the 0.9% additional Medicare surtax on amounts over $250K, which works out to roughly $12,700 in total Medicare tax savings. That's over $22K annually in tax savings, which easily covers your S Corp compliance costs and then some. Your $325K salary seems reasonable for a physician at your income level - not so low as to trigger IRS scrutiny, but not unnecessarily high either. Just make sure to document how you arrived at that figure using industry compensation data for your specialty and location. The key advantage isn't necessarily a lower overall effective tax rate, but rather avoiding employment taxes on a significant portion of your income while maintaining the same ordinary income tax treatment.
This is exactly the kind of analysis I was looking for! The $22K in annual employment tax savings really puts it into perspective. I'm curious though - have you found that the IRS has become more aggressive about auditing S Corp reasonable compensation in recent years? I keep hearing conflicting stories about whether they're cracking down more on medical professionals specifically. Also, do you know if there are any safe harbors or guidelines for what percentage of total S Corp income should be taken as salary versus distributions?
Jacinda Yu
Speaking as someone who went thru bankruptcy - its not worth it just for tax issues. The hit to your credit score takes YEARS to recover from. Look into other options first frfr
0 coins
Geoff Richards
ā¢how long did it take ur credit to recover?
0 coins
Jacinda Yu
ā¢like 7 years before I could get decent credit card offers again ngl
0 coins
QuantumQuest
Before you consider bankruptcy, definitely explore all your other options first. You might qualify for an installment plan where you can pay off the debt over time while still getting your refunds. Also check if you qualify for "Currently Not Collectible" status if you're going through financial hardship - this can temporarily stop collections. The IRS also has a Fresh Start program that might help. Bankruptcy should really be a last resort since it affects so much more than just your tax situation.
0 coins