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Has anyone actually received a 1099-R with code 8 (no J) for an excess contribution removal? I'm dealing with something similar and my broker is telling me they'll use code P, even though I also contributed and removed in the same calendar year. I'm wondering if different brokerages handle this differently.
I've seen both codes used. Last year I removed an excess contribution and got a 1099-R with code 8. My wife had the exact same situation with a different brokerage and got code P. As long as you report it correctly on your tax return, either code should be acceptable to the IRS. The key is making sure you don't pay the 6% penalty by removing it before the deadline.
I went through this exact situation last year and can confirm what others have said about the distribution codes. My contribution was made in January 2023 for tax year 2022, and I removed the excess in late 2023. My 1099-R showed code 8 (not PJ) because both the contribution and removal happened in the same calendar year. The key thing I learned is that you don't need to file an amended return as long as you report the distribution correctly on your original return. Since you mentioned your brokerage adjusted for losses, make sure you report any earnings (or in your case, the small loss) appropriately. The excess contribution removal itself isn't taxable, but any earnings would be. I'd recommend double-checking with your brokerage about exactly what they'll report on your 1099-R, since different institutions sometimes handle these codes differently. But regardless of whether they use code 8 or P, the tax treatment should be the same for your situation.
This is really helpful, thank you for sharing your experience! It's reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation. I was getting worried about having to deal with amended returns and potential penalties, but it sounds like as long as I report everything correctly on my original return, I should be fine. One quick question - when you say "report any earnings appropriately," does that mean I need to report the small loss as well? My brokerage said they adjusted the removal amount down slightly due to market losses on that $1,200. Should I be concerned about how to handle that on my tax forms?
A common mistake I see businesses make is forgetting about state tax implications. Even if you're handling federal taxes correctly, some states have different rules for international contractors. What state is your S Corp registered in? That can make a big difference in your filing requirements.
This is so true! My California-based business got hit with unexpected state requirements even though I was handling the federal side correctly. The rules vary wildly by state.
Great question! I've been dealing with similar international contractor payments for my consulting business. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given is to make sure you're consistent with your categorization across all your financial records. Since you're using Wise for payments, I'd recommend exporting their transaction reports monthly and reconciling them with your spreadsheet records. This creates a clear audit trail showing the business purpose of each payment. Also, when you collect those W-8BEN forms from your Filipino team members, consider creating a simple tracking spreadsheet with expiration dates so you know when to request renewals (every 3 years as Miguel mentioned). I learned this the hard way when I realized half my forms had expired during tax season! The $67k in payments will definitely reduce your taxable income as legitimate business expenses, so you're smart to get this documented properly now rather than scrambling later.
Does anyone know if the state filing requirements follow the same rules? My kids have investment accounts that are mostly in-state municipal bond funds that are supposedly tax-exempt for federal but taxable for state purposes.
State rules vary significantly. In my state (NY), the filing thresholds are much lower than federal. My kids had to file state returns even though they were exempt from federal filing. Check your specific state's tax department website - they usually have a section on filing requirements for dependents.
Great question about the yearly changes! Yes, the kiddie tax thresholds do adjust annually for inflation. For 2024 tax returns (filed in 2025), the threshold is indeed $2,300 for unearned income before a child needs to file. Based on your numbers ($190 + $165 + $1,850 = $2,205 per child), you're correct that each child falls below the threshold and won't need Form 8615 this year. This is a common situation where families had to file in previous years but don't need to anymore due to the threshold increases. One thing to keep in mind: make sure you're looking at the right tax year's thresholds. The 2024 threshold ($2,300) applies to income earned in 2024, which you'll file in 2025. If you're comparing to last year when you had to file Form 8615, that would have been under the 2023 threshold, which was $2,200. Also worth noting that these Vanguard accounts will likely generate similar income patterns going forward, so it's good to stay aware of how the thresholds change each year. The IRS usually announces the inflation adjustments for the following year in the fall.
This is really helpful - thank you for breaking down the year-over-year changes! I didn't realize the threshold only went up by $100 from 2023 to 2024. That small increase made all the difference for our situation. It's good to know about the fall announcements for the following year's thresholds. I'll make sure to check those updates so I can plan ahead for next year's filing. With the way these investment accounts have been growing, we might be getting close to the threshold again in future years. Do you happen to know if there's a reliable source where they publish these annual adjustments, or is it just buried in IRS publications somewhere?
You seem to have a good grasp on the process already, which is probably going to work in your favor. In my experience, which is admittedly somewhat limited, the system updates faster when you've successfully completed the verification in a single call. It's possible, though not guaranteed, that you might see movement in as little as 5-7 business days, especially if your return is otherwise straightforward. The IRS has been, in my observation, processing these verification cases more efficiently this filing season.
I went through identity verification just last week and can share what happened in my case. The agent told me it was specifically for Form 8962 (Premium Tax Credit) verification, and she mentioned my case would be prioritized since it was a "simple authentication" rather than a full identity theft case. My timeline so far: verified on Tuesday, transcript still shows the 570 hold as of yesterday (day 6). The agent said to expect 2-3 weeks, but based on what others are saying here, it sounds like it could be sooner. One thing that might help - when you call back to check status, ask them to confirm the specific type of verification you completed. There are apparently different processing queues depending on whether it's identity theft, Premium Tax Credit, Earned Income Credit, or just general authentication. Knowing which queue you're in can give you a better timeline estimate. Good luck with yours! The waiting is definitely the hardest part.
This is super helpful information about the different verification types! I had no idea there were separate processing queues. When I called, the agent didn't specify which type of verification mine was - just said "identity verification complete." Now I'm wondering if I should call back to clarify which queue I'm in. Did the agent volunteer this information or did you have to specifically ask about the Form 8962 connection? Also curious if you've seen any movement on your transcript since posting this - hoping yours processes quickly!
Yuki Sato
How do you know if you "materially participated" for sure? I resell stuff on Poshmark and Mercari like maybe 5-6 hours a week. Is that enough to count?
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Carmen Ruiz
ā¢Yes, that absolutely counts! The IRS has several tests for material participation, and you only need to meet ONE of them. The most common one people meet is that you participated in the activity for more than 500 hours during the year. But there's also a test that says you materially participated if the activity is your sole business AND you participated "on a regular, continuous, and substantial basis." For something like Poshmark where you're doing all the work yourself - taking photos, writing listings, packaging items, shipping them - that's definitely material participation even at 5-6 hours per week.
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Quinn Herbert
This is such a common mistake - you're definitely not alone in this! The material participation question is honestly one of the most confusing parts of self-employment taxes, especially for people doing online selling as a side hustle. From what you described (taking photos, writing listings, shipping items), you absolutely materially participated in your eBay/PayPal business. The IRS considers activities like sourcing inventory, marketing, customer service, and fulfillment as clear signs of material participation. You were running the business, not just passively collecting income. Definitely file that amendment (Form 1040-X) to correct this. It's actually likely to work in your favor since business income where you materially participate gets better tax treatment than passive income. The good news is that this type of mistake usually results in getting money back rather than owing more. Don't stress too much about getting flagged - this is a legitimate correction of an honest mistake, and the IRS sees these kinds of amendments all the time. Just make sure to clearly explain the correction on the amendment form and keep records of your business activities in case you ever need to demonstrate your level of participation.
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