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My experience was completely different from what others are saying. I cashed out a whole life policy last year and got hit with a huge tax bill! I think it depends on how much you're getting back compared to what you put in.
That's because you probably had significant gains in your policy. If you had the policy for many years (like 15+), the interest accumulation could be substantial, making a larger portion taxable. OP's policy is only a few years old, so likely hasn't gained much value yet.
You're right - I had my policy for almost 20 years, so there was a lot of growth. I didn't realize that made such a big difference. I guess I should've looked into the cost basis thing everyone's mentioning.
Your Banner agent is definitely using scare tactics to push their investment products. The "half your cash value" claim is completely false and shows they either don't understand tax law or are intentionally misleading you. Here's what actually happens: You're only taxed on gains above what you paid in premiums (your cost basis). Since you've been paying $75/month since 2019, you've likely paid around $4,500+ in premiums for a $3,000 cash value, meaning you'd owe ZERO taxes. Even if there were taxable gains, it would be taxed as ordinary income - not some arbitrary "half" penalty. There's no special tax penalty for cashing out life insurance. I'd recommend: 1. Call Allstate for your cost basis documentation 2. Keep that $3,000 for your emergency fund or debt payoff 3. Consider finding a new agent who doesn't use fear tactics You made a smart financial move switching to term life insurance and getting better coverage for less money. Don't let pushy sales tactics make you doubt that decision!
This is exactly what I needed to hear! I was getting really stressed about the tax situation, but when you break it down like that it makes perfect sense. $75/month for almost 6 years would be around $5,400 in premiums, so getting back $3,000 means no taxable gain at all. I'm definitely going to call Allstate tomorrow to get that cost basis documentation just to have it official. And you're absolutely right about finding a new agent - the high-pressure tactics were making me uncomfortable anyway. Thanks for confirming that switching to term was the right move. Sometimes you need to hear it from multiple people to feel confident about financial decisions!
I work in benefits administration (not tax advice!) and this issue comes up frequently. The technical distinction I've seen most HSA administrators make: 1. Items that ONLY serve a medical purpose = eligible 2. Items with dual purpose = not eligible So breast pumps = eligible because their only purpose is medical Specialized breast milk storage bags = usually eligible because they're designed specifically for breast milk General bottles = usually not eligible because they can be used for formula, water, etc. But honestly, every HSA administrator interprets things a bit differently, and some are more lenient than others. It's always best to check with your specific administrator.
This makes a lot of sense but is frustrating! My HSA through work denied breast milk storage bags but approved the pump. When I called they literally told me "you could store anything in those bags." I was like...they're literally designed for breast milk and say so on the package!
That's incredibly frustrating but unfortunately not uncommon. Some administrators apply these rules very strictly while others take a more practical approach. One strategy that sometimes works is to have your doctor write a "Letter of Medical Necessity" specifically stating that breast milk storage bags are a necessary component of your breastfeeding plan. This doesn't always work, but it can help in some cases, especially if you can make a case that the specific storage method is necessary for a medical reason (like maintaining a milk supply while returning to work).
Thank you all for sharing your experiences! This has been incredibly helpful. Based on what everyone is saying, it sounds like the key is: 1. Breast milk storage bags specifically marketed for breast milk = likely eligible 2. General bottles = likely not eligible unless part of pump kit 3. Each HSA administrator has different interpretations I think I'm going to start by purchasing the Medela or Lansinoh storage bags that several of you mentioned getting approved, and skip the bottles for now. If we do need bottles later, I'll look for ones that are specifically part of a pumping system. @Sofia Ramirez and @StarSeeker - I'm definitely going to check out taxr.ai before submitting anything. Having documentation that explains the eligibility seems like it could save a lot of headaches. @Ava Martinez - I'll also keep Claimyr in mind if I run into issues and need to actually talk to someone at my HSA company. The hold times are brutal! Really appreciate this community helping navigate these confusing rules. It's frustrating that something so clearly related to medical care (breastfeeding) has so many gray areas, but at least now I have a better strategy going in.
This is such a great summary of everything discussed here! As someone new to HSAs and expecting my first child soon, this thread has been a goldmine of practical information. One thing I'm curious about - for those who successfully got storage bags approved, did you purchase them at the same time as your breast pump or separately? I'm wondering if bundling the purchase might help with the approval process, since it would clearly show they're part of the same medical necessity. Also, @Zara Mirza, please keep us updated on how your claims go! It would be really helpful to know which specific products get approved so other new parents can learn from your experience.
Been banking with Chime for 3 years and can confirm they're super fast with deposits! But yeah, the IRS doesn't actually send anything on weekends. Last year my deposit date fell on a Sunday and I got it the Friday before around 3pm. With Presidents Day this year though, you're probably looking at Tuesday the 18th like others said. The waiting game is brutal but at least Chime won't hold it up once the IRS releases it!
This is super helpful info! Three years of experience with Chime definitely gives you credibility. The Friday before thing gives me some hope, but you're probably right about Tuesday being more realistic with the holiday. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I've been through this exact situation with Chime before! The key thing to remember is that while Chime is great at processing deposits quickly once they receive them, the IRS still follows federal banking rules. They don't initiate ACH transfers on weekends or federal holidays. Since your deposit date is Saturday the 16th and Monday the 17th is Presidents Day, the IRS will most likely send your refund on Friday the 15th (which means you could see it Thursday night or Friday morning with Chime's early deposit) or Tuesday the 18th. I'd lean toward Friday since the IRS usually tries to get refunds out before the scheduled date when weekends are involved. Keep checking your account Thursday evening!
This is exactly the kind of detailed insight I was hoping for! Your experience with the same situation really helps. I'll definitely start checking Thursday evening - didn't realize Chime might process it that early. The Friday scenario sounds pretty promising given that the IRS usually tries to avoid weekend delays. Thanks for breaking down all the timing factors!
Hey Diego, I feel your pain - I've been in a similar situation before. The key thing is to act fast now. Since you can't get a retroactive extension, your best bet is to file your return ASAP to minimize the failure-to-file penalty. Here's what I'd recommend: 1) File immediately, even if you can't pay the full amount owed. The failure-to-file penalty is much steeper than the failure-to-pay penalty. 2) Pay as much as you can when you file to reduce interest charges. 3) If you have a clean filing history for the past 3 years, definitely look into First Time Penalty Abatement after you get your penalty notice from the IRS. Don't beat yourself up too much - life happens and you're taking action now. The penalties aren't fun but they're manageable, especially if you qualify for penalty abatement. Good luck!
This is really solid advice, @Zachary Hughes! I'm in a similar boat as Diego and had no idea about the First Time Penalty Abatement option. Quick question - do you know roughly how long it takes for the IRS to process that request once you submit it? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth waiting for their penalty notice or if I should just plan to pay the penalties upfront when I file.
@Brooklyn Foley From my experience, the IRS typically takes 4-6 weeks to process a First Time Penalty Abatement request once you call or send in the written request. I d'definitely recommend just filing your return now and paying what you can, then waiting for the penalty notice to arrive usually (2-4 weeks after filing .)Don t'pay the penalties upfront when you file - let the IRS assess them first, then request the abatement. If they approve it, you ll'only owe the interest portion, which is much smaller. If they deny it which (is rare if you truly qualify ,)you can always pay the penalties then. This approach saves you from potentially overpaying and having to wait for a refund.
Don't panic, Diego! While you can't get a retroactive extension, you're not completely out of options. The most important thing right now is to file your return immediately - every day you wait, the failure-to-file penalty keeps growing. Here's your action plan: 1) File your 2024 tax return ASAP using whatever method is easiest for you (tax software, paper, or a tax professional). 2) Pay as much as you can afford right now, even if it's not the full amount - this will reduce the failure-to-pay penalty and interest charges. 3) Once you get your penalty notice from the IRS, look into First Time Penalty Abatement if you've been compliant for the past 3 years. The failure-to-file penalty is typically 5% of your unpaid taxes per month (up to 25%), so time is really of the essence. If you end up owing a refund, there's actually no penalty for filing late - only if you owe money. Job changes and moves are stressful, and while the IRS doesn't typically consider these "reasonable cause," focusing on damage control now is your best bet. You've got this!
@CosmicCommander This is really helpful advice! I'm also dealing with a late filing situation and wondering - when you mention paying "as much as you can afford right now," do you mean I should estimate what I owe and send a payment with my return, or should I wait until I actually file to see the exact amount? I'm worried about overpaying or underpaying if I try to estimate.
@Logan Greenberg You should definitely wait until you actually prepare your return to know the exact amount you owe - don't try to estimate and send a payment beforehand. When you file your return (whether through tax software or paper), you'll see exactly how much you owe in taxes. At that point, pay whatever amount you can afford along with your return submission. If you can't pay the full amount, don't let that stop you from filing! The failure-to-file penalty is much worse than the failure-to-pay penalty. You can always set up a payment plan with the IRS afterward for any remaining balance. The key is getting that return filed ASAP to stop the failure-to-file penalty from growing.
Amina Toure
No one has mentioned tax credits! The formula isn't just "tax liability minus taxes paid." Tax credits come into play too and could explain the discrepancy. Tax due = Tax liability - (Taxes paid + Tax credits
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Oliver Weber
ā¢Actually that's not quite right. Tax credits are already factored into your tax liability calculation. They reduce your liability directly. Your formula would be double-counting the credits.
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Aria Khan
I had a very similar issue last year and it drove me crazy for weeks! The $529 difference you're seeing could be from several sources that aren't immediately obvious: 1. **Additional Medicare Tax** - If your income exceeded certain thresholds ($200k single/$250k married), there's an extra 0.9% Medicare tax that gets added to your total tax liability. 2. **Net Investment Income Tax** - If you have investment income and your modified AGI exceeds the thresholds, there's a 3.8% tax on investment income that gets tacked on. 3. **Premium Tax Credit Reconciliation** - If you received advance premium tax credits for health insurance through the marketplace, you might owe some back if your actual income was higher than estimated. 4. **Prior Year Balance** - Sometimes there's an outstanding balance from a previous tax year that gets rolled into your current year's amount due. The best thing to do is go through your tax form line by line and look for any additional taxes or adjustments that might not be part of your basic income tax calculation. These "extra" taxes can really throw off the simple liability-minus-payments formula that most people expect to work. Check lines 16-23 on Form 1040 - that's where most of these additional taxes show up. One of those lines probably has that missing $529!
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