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NeonNinja

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People are missing an important point here - depending on your income levels, filing incorrectly might have BENEFITED you tax-wise. "Single" filing status often gives better tax treatment than "married filing separately" which has the worst tax treatment of all filing statuses. If your income was significantly higher than your husband's, you might have actually paid LESS tax by filing single. The IRS is much more likely to come after people who underpaid, not those who overpaid. Of course, you should still fix it, but I wouldn't panic until you know if you actually owe anything. Get a good tax pro to run the numbers both ways before you do anything.

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That's an interesting perspective I hadn't considered. My income is about 30% higher than my husband's, so maybe that's why the difference wasn't flagged? Is there a way to calculate this myself before I go to a new accountant just to see if I'm looking at owing money or possibly getting refunds?

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NeonNinja

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You can use one of the major tax software packages to run a simulation using your past information. Input all your data as "married filing separately" and see what the difference is compared to "single" for each year. The software will calculate everything and show you the difference in tax liability. If it turns out you've been paying more by filing as single, the IRS might actually owe you money for the past three years (the limit for claiming refunds). Just be prepared that if you've been paying less, you'll need to address that with amended returns and possibly penalties. But knowing the numbers first will help you approach this strategically with a new tax professional.

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I'm an enrolled agent and see this more often than you'd think. Quick clarification on some earlier comments: the IRS has 3 years to assess additional tax in most cases, but 6 years if you omit more than 25% of your income, and unlimited time if there's fraud. For your situation, it sounds like the open years would be 2021-2023. For the Roth IRA issue, you have until October 15 of the year following the contribution to correct excess contributions without the 6% penalty. Beyond that deadline, you'll face the penalty until corrected. The most important advice: DO NOT contact the IRS directly until you have a plan. Get a qualified professional (EA or CPA) to review everything and develop a strategy. Sometimes a Qualified Amended Return can help reduce penalties. And definitely get a new accountant! The fact that your husband's returns showed MFS while yours showed Single is a major error that should never have happened.

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Sean Murphy

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Is there any required consistency between spouses' filing statuses? Like, if one spouse files as "married filing separately," does the IRS system automatically flag if the other spouse files as "single"? I'm surprised their system didn't catch this automatically.

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Amara Chukwu

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Great question! Yes, there should be consistency. When one spouse files as "married filing separately," the other spouse MUST also file as "married filing separately" - they can't file as single. The IRS does have matching systems that should catch these discrepancies, but they don't always flag immediately. What likely happened here is that the IRS systems haven't cross-matched these returns yet, or the matching process flagged it but hasn't generated correspondence. The IRS often takes 1-3 years to send notices about mismatched filing statuses. This is actually why I recommend getting ahead of it with amended returns rather than waiting for the IRS to contact you - being proactive usually results in better treatment and reduced penalties. The fact that this went undetected for 5+ years suggests either the returns haven't been fully processed through all IRS matching systems, or there's a delay in their correspondence system. Either way, it will eventually be caught.

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1099-R Form code PJ and Taxable Income from Excess Contribution - Under which year tax return?

Hey all, I'm really stuck on how to handle this situation with my excess Roth IRA contribution and the earnings that came back when I had to fix my mistake. March 2023: I put too much money into my 2022 Roth IRA (contributed more than I actually earned in 2022) June 2023: Got a tax extension and then requested my brokerage to return the excess contribution. They sent me back my excess contribution plus the earnings it generated. July 2023: Filed my 2022 taxes based just on my actual 2022 income (didn't include those earnings from the excess contribution since I didn't have the 1099-R yet) Fast forward to now - I received my 1099-R from my brokerage showing the distribution and taxable amount (the earnings) with distribution code PJ. Here's my confusion: I made the contribution in 2023, got the money back in 2023, but it was technically for my 2022 Roth IRA. So do these earnings get taxed on my 2023 return (year I made the contribution and got it back) or do I need to go back and amend my 2022 return? I've been researching and keep finding contradictory info! Some sources say code PJ means the earnings are taxable in contribution year (2023), while others say they should be taxed under the Roth IRA year (2022). Some even mentioned I should've gotten code 8J if it was meant for my 2023 taxes. Also wondering if I need to do anything specific with the 1099-R form itself, or just use the numbers from it in my tax return? Any help would be SO appreciated!!!

Watch out if you're using TurboTax to file! I had this exact situation last year and TurboTax incorrectly tried to make me pay taxes on the ENTIRE distribution, not just the earnings. Had to manually override it by entering the taxable amount exactly as shown on the 1099-R instead of letting TurboTax calculate it.

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Jamal Brown

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I had the same issue with H&R Block's software. The trick I found was to make sure you select "retirement distributions" and not "IRA distribution" when entering the 1099-R. For some reason choosing "IRA distribution" made the software try to tax the whole amount.

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Fiona Sand

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This is such a common source of confusion! I went through something similar last year and want to add a few practical tips that helped me: 1. Double-check your 1099-R box 2a (taxable amount) - it should only show the earnings portion, not your full contribution amount. If it shows the full amount, your brokerage may have made an error. 2. Keep detailed records of the timeline - the fact that you requested the return of excess contributions before your extended filing deadline (you filed in July 2023) is crucial for confirming this gets reported on your 2023 return. 3. If you're using tax software and it's giving you trouble with the PJ code, try entering it as "other retirement distributions" rather than letting it auto-categorize. This often bypasses the software's incorrect assumptions about Roth distributions. The key thing to remember is that since you corrected the excess contribution before filing your 2022 return, it's treated as if the contribution never happened for 2022 tax purposes. That's why everything gets reported in 2023 - the year the actual distribution occurred. Also worth noting: save all your documentation about this transaction. The IRS sometimes sends automated notices about retirement distributions, and having your paperwork organized will save you headaches if you need to respond to any correspondence.

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CosmicCowboy

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This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about checking box 2a on the 1099-R! I just pulled mine out and confirmed it only shows the earnings amount ($230), not the full distribution. The timeline documentation tip is great too - I have all my emails with the brokerage showing when I requested the excess contribution return, which was definitely before my July 2023 filing deadline. One question on your software tip: when you say "other retirement distributions," do you mean there's usually a dropdown where you can select that instead of letting it auto-detect the distribution type? I'm planning to use FreeTaxUSA this year and want to make sure I handle this correctly from the start.

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Amina Bah

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One thing nobody mentioned - some states have different record retention requirements than the IRS! In California, for example, the statute of limitations is 4 years instead of 3. Make sure you check your state tax agency guidelines too before you start shredding everything.

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Do you know about New York? Our state taxes are always more complicated than federal and I don't want to screw anything up.

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Amina Bah

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New York generally follows the 3-year federal guideline, but they can go back 6 years if they suspect substantial underreporting (similar to the IRS). If you've filed accurately, 3 years is typically fine, but I personally keep NY returns for 6 years just to be safe since they can be more aggressive with audits. For special situations like claiming net operating loss carryovers or certain business credits, you might need to keep supporting documentation even longer. I recommend checking the NY Department of Taxation and Finance website for any specific situations.

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Am I the only one who keeps everything forever? lol. My dad got audited once for a return from 5 years prior and ever since I've been paranoid. I have tax docs going back to 2005 in my basement. Probably overkill but whatever helps me sleep at night!!

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You're definitely not alone! I still have returns from 1998 in a box in my attic. I know it's ridiculous but I can't bring myself to throw them away. My wife makes fun of me every tax season when I add another folder to the collection.

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I'm also cycle 05 and going through the exact same anxiety! Last year I learned the hard way that checking multiple times a day is just torture. The transcripts really do only update overnight, usually Thursday nights for us 05ers. One thing that helped me was understanding that a blank transcript doesn't mean nothing is happening - it actually means they've accepted your return and it's actively being processed. When it's truly stuck, you don't see the 2024 transcript at all. For the timing, I've found that if there's going to be an update, it usually shows up by 6-7 AM Eastern on Friday mornings. After that, you're probably waiting until the next week. Given that you mentioned needing this refund for unexpected expenses, I totally get why you're checking obsessively. Maybe try checking Friday morning, and if nothing changes, set a phone reminder for the following Friday instead of checking daily. Your mental health will thank you, and you'll get the same result either way! Hang in there - cycle 05 typically processes pretty reliably once it gets going! šŸ¤ž

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This is so reassuring to hear from someone else in the same situation! I've been driving myself crazy checking multiple times a day thinking I might miss something. The fact that you went through this exact same anxiety last year and came out the other side really helps put things in perspective. I love your suggestion about setting a phone reminder for the following Friday instead of daily checking - that's such a practical way to break the obsessive cycle while still staying on top of things. And knowing that 6-7 AM Eastern is typically when updates appear gives me a specific window to check rather than random times throughout the day. The explanation about blank transcript meaning "actively processing" vs "truly stuck" is exactly what I needed to hear. I was definitely interpreting blank as a bad sign when it sounds like it's actually progress! Thanks for taking the time to share your experience and offer such thoughtful advice. It really helps to know other cycle 05 filers have been through this same rollercoaster and made it through! šŸ™

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Just wanted to chime in as another cycle 05 filer who's been through this exact situation! The waiting is absolutely brutal, especially when you have financial pressures like your home renovation overruns. From my experience over the past few years, here's what I've learned: • Transcripts update once daily during overnight batch processing (usually Thursday night/Friday morning for cycle 05) • The blank transcript is actually a GOOD sign - it means your return is in the system and being processed • Checking multiple times daily will only increase your anxiety without providing new information • Updates typically appear between 3-6 AM Eastern, so if you don't see anything by 8 AM Friday, you're likely waiting until the next Thursday One thing that saved my sanity was switching from transcript obsessing to just checking the WMR tool once on Friday mornings. Sometimes it shows status changes before the transcript updates. I know it's hard when you need that money, but try to remember that cycle 05 is actually one of the more reliable processing cycles. Your refund WILL come - the IRS just processes millions of returns and it takes time. Hang in there! šŸ’Ŗ

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Anna Xian

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm definitely guilty of the "transcript obsessing" you mentioned - I've probably checked 15 times since yesterday alone which is clearly not productive. Your breakdown of the timing (3-6 AM Eastern updates, check by 8 AM Friday) gives me a much better framework than my current random checking throughout the day. And I hadn't thought to use WMR as an alternative - that's a great suggestion since it might show changes earlier than the transcript. The reassurance about cycle 05 being reliable really helps too. When you're in the middle of the anxiety spiral, it's easy to forget that this is actually a well-established system that processes millions of returns successfully. I think I'm going to follow your Friday morning check strategy and try to stay off the transcript site the rest of the week. My stress levels (and probably my productivity at work) will definitely benefit from breaking this obsessive checking habit! Thanks for sharing your experience and the practical timeline - it really helps to hear from someone who's navigated this successfully multiple times! šŸ™

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Think of tax refund direct deposits like planes arriving at an airport. Your state tax department is the departing airport (they release the funds), the ACH system is the flight path (the money in transit), and Credit Karma is the arriving airport (they receive and process the deposit). Just like flights can arrive early or on time depending on conditions, your deposit timing varies. I track this stuff obsessively. My Arizona refund last year had a DDD of 3/10 but hit my Credit Karma account on 3/9 at 10:23am. My sister's Michigan refund with the same DDD didn't arrive until exactly on 3/10. The year before, my Arizona refund was exactly on DDD. The key factor seems to be when your state actually initiates the ACH transfer - some do it 2-3 days before DDD, others just 1 day before. As for fees - in 15+ refunds across family members using Credit Karma, we've never seen a single fee or deduction.

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Aisha Khan

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That airport analogy really makes this clear. I've been wondering about these timing differences for years. I appreciate how you tracked the exact times too - that level of detail helps set realistic expectations.

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Thanks for starting this thread - really helpful timing as I'm in a similar situation! I'm expecting my Texas state refund with a DDD of 3/10 to my Credit Karma account. This will be my second year using them for state refunds. Last year (2023), my Texas refund had a DDD of 2/28 and actually showed up on 2/27 around 2:15 PM. No fees whatsoever - the full amount I was expecting based on the state's website appeared in my account. One thing I noticed is that Credit Karma sends a push notification pretty quickly when the deposit hits, but sometimes their email notification can be delayed by several hours. So if you have the app, that's probably your best bet for knowing right away when it arrives. Also, unlike some banks that might show "pending" deposits, Credit Karma made the funds immediately available once they appeared in my account balance. I'll keep an eye on this thread to see how everyone else's deposits go this season!

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Amina Bah

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone with Texas specifically! I'm also waiting on a Texas state refund but this is my first time using Credit Karma for it. The immediate availability of funds is a huge plus compared to traditional banks that sometimes hold deposits. Quick question - did you notice any difference in processing time between your federal and state refunds when using Credit Karma? I've heard state refunds can be more unpredictable than federal ones.

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