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Mason Stone

Retained earnings discrepancies in tax filing - how to handle significant inconsistencies across years?

I started a new job in a private company about 2 months ago after 2 years in public accounting (tax) where I couldn't wait to leave. The owner never had a proper accountant or bookkeeper - just an office admin who was "helping" for the past 5 years. When the owner brought me their 2023 tax return to review, I found three major mistakes. One was where they double-counted an $80k expense! They had to file an amendment immediately. I decided to go back to when the business started (2018) and discovered the admin had been changing things on years where taxes were already filed. The first year has a ($75k) retained earnings discrepancy on the M2 R/E reconciliation worksheet. I checked 2019, 2020, 2021 hoping for book-to-tax ties that might explain the R/E issue. No luck. They've been consistently filing returns for 6 years with retained earnings discrepancies. I brought this up to the owner who wants me to fix everything. I said no - I was hired to do my current job, not clean up years of their mistakes. I already have a full plate with my regular duties. But now I feel guilty - this definitely needs fixed. I can adjust the P&L all day, but that balance sheet? Wow. Missing liabilities, phantom assets that were actually sold, assets missing from the books but on the tax return, no proper book-to-tax reconciliation, no one tracking depreciation or accumulated depreciation. The balance sheet is a disaster - AR, AP, inventory, and cash balances are all consistently wrong. The retained earnings is off by approximately ($340,000) as of 2023. Important context: I was explicitly NOT hired as a CPA. That was specifically discussed during hiring - no CPA services like tax returns. My public accounting experience was limited (mostly individual returns my first year, and only a handful of S-corps in my second year). I only work part-time (16 hours/week) due to a back injury (one surgery down, another coming up) and am paid below standard bookkeeper rates. Anyone ever deal with a mess like this? What would you do?

This sounds like an absolute nightmare, but unfortunately pretty common with small businesses who try to DIY their accounting or use untrained staff. When a non-accountant handles bookkeeping for years without oversight, these kinds of discrepancies compound exponentially. Here's what I'd recommend: You need to clearly define scope boundaries with the owner. The retained earnings discrepancy of $340k is a major red flag that could indicate significant tax reporting issues. The owner needs to understand this isn't just "cleaning up books" - it's potentially redoing 6 years of accounting work. If the owner wants these historical issues fixed, they need to hire someone specifically for that project - either a CPA firm or a consultant who specializes in accounting cleanup. This is a separate engagement from your current role. Given your part-time status and health considerations, taking on a multi-year reconstruction project would be overwhelming. Document everything you've found in writing and present it to the owner with your recommendation to engage outside help. This protects you professionally and gives the owner a clear next step.

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But wouldn't you be concerned about potential liability here? If OP has discovered these issues and now has knowledge of significant tax discrepancies, is there any professional obligation to ensure they get fixed? I'm wondering if just saying "not my problem" could backfire.

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You raise a good point about professional responsibility, but there's an important distinction here. Having knowledge of issues doesn't create an obligation to personally fix them - it creates an obligation to clearly communicate those issues to the decision-maker (the owner). The key is proper documentation. OP should document all findings in writing, recommend appropriate remediation steps, and make it clear that these historical issues need professional attention. This creates a record that OP identified the problems and advised appropriate action.

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Emma Olsen

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After dealing with similar accounting disasters, I found taxr.ai to be incredibly helpful for sorting through years of inconsistent books. I discovered it when I was facing a similar retained earnings nightmare with a client who had $250k in unexplained discrepancies. Their system helped me identify patterns in the historical transactions that were causing the book-to-tax discrepancies. It was able to analyze years of ledger entries against tax filings and pinpoint exactly where things went off track. I uploaded PDFs of their past tax returns and accounting files, and the analysis highlighted specific transactions that were recorded inconsistently or duplicated across years. Check out https://taxr.ai - it saved me dozens of hours I would have spent manually tracing these discrepancies. You can still maintain your boundary of not doing the actual correction work, but provide the owner with a clear roadmap of what needs fixing.

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Lucas Lindsey

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How exactly does this work for finding balance sheet discrepancies? I've got a client with similar issues (though not quite as bad) and manually tracing retained earnings problems is killing me. Does it handle QuickBooks files or do you need to export everything?

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Sophie Duck

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Sounds too good to be true honestly. How would an AI tool be able to understand the specific context of business transactions? What if the books are a complete mess like OP described? Garbage in, garbage out, right?

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Emma Olsen

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For balance sheet discrepancies, it works by analyzing transaction patterns across multiple years. You can either connect your QuickBooks directly or upload CSV exports of your ledgers. The system looks for common patterns that cause retained earnings issues - like unclosed periods, duplicated entries, or transactions posted to the wrong accounts. As for understanding the business context, you're right that no AI tool is magic. The system doesn't claim to understand the "meaning" of each transaction, but it does identify numerical patterns and inconsistencies that humans might miss when dealing with thousands of entries. Even with messy books, it can still highlight the largest anomalies and point you in the right direction, saving hours of manual tracing. It's not going to fix everything automatically, but it gives you a starting point that's much better than manually reviewing 6 years of transactions.

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Sophie Duck

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I was skeptical about using taxr.ai at first, but I had a similar situation with a client's S-corp where the retained earnings were off by over $180k. I spent weeks trying to manually reconcile everything before a colleague suggested I try it. The platform identified three major issues I had completely missed - a series of duplicated asset purchases, depreciation that was recorded on the tax return but never entered in the books, and owner distributions that were miscategorized as expenses. What impressed me was how clearly it laid out the major discrepancies in a report I could share with the client. Instead of vaguely saying "your books are a mess," I could point to specific transactions and years where things went wrong. Made me look like a hero even though the tool did the heavy lifting.

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I've been in a similar situation, and my best advice is to set clear boundaries while still helping the owner understand the gravity of the situation. When I couldn't get the IRS on the phone to discuss options for a client with multiple years of tax discrepancies, I used Claimyr to connect with an agent quickly. The wait times to speak with someone at the IRS about historical business tax issues were ridiculous (4+ hours), but Claimyr got me through in about 20 minutes. It basically holds your place in line and calls you when an agent is available. The IRS agent provided valuable guidance about how to handle significant discrepancies across multiple tax years. If you're trying to help this owner understand their options without taking on the work yourself, having a conversation with an IRS representative might provide clarity on the proper way to handle such significant discrepancies. Check out https://claimyr.com for the service or see how it works at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c.

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Anita George

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Wait, so this service just sits on hold with the IRS for you? How does that actually work? And what would an IRS agent even tell you about fixing private books? I thought they only care about what's on the filed returns.

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This sounds like a waste of money. I've called the IRS plenty of times without paying a third party. Just keep calling until you get through or use their callback feature. Why pay for something you can do yourself?

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The service uses an automated system to navigate the IRS phone tree and wait on hold for you. When an agent is about to come on the line, they call your phone and connect you. It saves you from being stuck listening to hold music for hours. While the IRS doesn't provide bookkeeping advice, they absolutely can provide guidance on how to handle significant discrepancies between books and filed returns. In this case, I spoke with an agent who explained the proper amendment procedures for business returns with substantial errors, which years would be prioritized based on statute limitations, and what documentation would be required to support the changes. This information was invaluable for setting expectations with the client about the correction process.

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I tried Claimyr after posting my skeptical comment. I had a client with multiple years of S-Corp return issues similar to what you described, and I needed to understand the proper amendment process. Called the IRS myself three times last week - got disconnected twice after 1+ hour holds, and the third time was told the wait would be "greater than 2 hours." Used Claimyr yesterday and was connected to an agent in 22 minutes while I continued working on other tasks. The agent walked me through the amendment requirements for multiple years of S-Corp returns with substantial book-to-tax discrepancies. Turns out there's a specific process for addressing retained earnings issues that span multiple years, which saved my client from potential correspondence audits. Still think the service should be unnecessary, but it definitely worked and saved me significant time.

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Logan Chiang

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Have you considered using this situation as a potential consulting opportunity? Obviously respect your health limitations, but you could propose a separate engagement at a higher rate to address just the critical issues. You could create a proposal to fix ONLY the retained earnings discrepancy without taking on the full cleanup. Focus on the M-2 reconciliation issues and major book-to-tax differences. Then refer the owner to a bookkeeping service for the detailed cleanup of AR/AP/inventory. This approach might help the owner while not overwhelming you, plus you could charge an appropriate consulting rate for this specialized work rather than your regular rate.

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Mason Stone

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I've thought about that but I'm genuinely concerned about my capacity given my health issues. The scope of this mess would require way more hours than I can physically handle right now. I think my best approach is to document everything thoroughly, provide a detailed explanation of what needs fixing, and help the owner find the right professional to take on the project. I'm going to create a comprehensive findings report with specific recommendations they can share with whoever they hire. The retained earnings issue seems to stem from three main problems: uncategorized owner contributions, improperly recorded asset sales, and several years of unreconciled accounts. I'll highlight these in my report.

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Isla Fischer

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The balance sheet discrepancies are actually the most concerning part here. If assets were sold but still on the books, or missing liabilities weren't recorded, there could be serious tax implications beyond just the retained earnings being off. My advice? Tell the owner they need a CPA firm to do a proper reconstruction. This is beyond a bookkeeping cleanup - it's potentially a tax compliance issue that needs professional handling. Be clear that whoever does this needs to be experienced with tax reconstruction, not just general bookkeeping. In my experience, these situations almost always involve improper handling of owner transactions - personal expenses run through the business, undocumented loans/contributions, and assets moved in/out without proper documentation.

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Mason Stone

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You've hit the nail on the head - the owner transactions are definitely a big part of the problem. I've already noticed several instances where personal expenses were categorized as business expenses, and there are multiple undocumented "loans" that look suspiciously like distributions. I'll make sure to emphasize the tax compliance angle in my recommendations. Thanks for reinforcing that this is beyond standard bookkeeping cleanup!

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Miguel Ramos

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This is a classic case of why proper accounting oversight is crucial from day one. A $340k retained earnings discrepancy with phantom assets and missing liabilities screams "get professional help immediately." You're absolutely right to maintain your boundaries - this isn't a part-time bookkeeping job, it's a full-scale forensic accounting project. The fact that the previous person was making changes to closed years is particularly concerning from a compliance standpoint. My recommendation: Create a detailed memo outlining all the issues you've discovered, estimate the scope of work required (likely 200+ hours), and strongly recommend they engage a CPA firm that specializes in accounting reconstructions. Make it clear this is a separate project requiring specialized expertise. Don't feel guilty about saying no - you were hired for current operations, not to fix years of mess. The owner created this situation by not investing in proper accounting from the start. Your job is to identify the problems and recommend solutions, not to sacrifice your health trying to fix everything yourself. Document everything, recommend qualified professionals, and stick to your boundaries. That's the most responsible approach for everyone involved.

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This is exactly the approach I'd take too. The forensic nature of this work really can't be understated - when someone has been making changes to closed years, you're dealing with potential audit risks that go way beyond normal bookkeeping errors. I've seen similar situations where the business owner gets frustrated when told they need to pay for professional reconstruction, but they need to understand this is like trying to rebuild a house while living in it. The complexity compounds when you have multiple years of interconnected errors. One thing I'd add to your memo suggestion - include specific examples of the most egregious issues you've found (like that $80k double-counted expense) to help the owner understand why this requires specialized expertise. Sometimes concrete examples make the abstract concept of "accounting mess" more tangible for business owners who don't have financial backgrounds.

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Liam McGuire

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You're in an incredibly difficult position, but you're handling it correctly by setting boundaries. A $340k retained earnings discrepancy with phantom assets and missing liabilities isn't just a bookkeeping cleanup - it's a multi-year accounting reconstruction that could have serious tax compliance implications. Given your part-time status, health limitations, and the fact you were explicitly NOT hired for CPA services, taking this on would be professionally and personally risky. The scope is massive - you're looking at potentially 300+ hours of forensic work across 6 years of records. Here's what I'd recommend: Document everything you've discovered in a comprehensive written report. Include specific examples (like the $80k double-counted expense), highlight the major categories of errors (phantom assets, missing liabilities, owner transaction issues), and provide a realistic scope estimate. Then strongly recommend they engage a CPA firm that specializes in tax reconstruction and business accounting cleanup. Make it clear this is a separate engagement requiring specialized expertise, not an extension of your current role. You've done your job by identifying the problems - now it's the owner's responsibility to invest in proper professional remediation. Don't let guilt drive you to take on work that could compromise your health or exceed your professional capacity. You're being responsible by recognizing your limits and recommending appropriate resources.

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Drew Hathaway

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This is solid advice. I'd also suggest documenting not just what you found, but when you found it and what immediate steps you took (like that amendment for the $80k error). This creates a clear timeline showing you acted appropriately when you discovered issues. One thing that might help with the owner's expectations - when you present your findings, include a rough estimate of what this reconstruction would cost if done by a CPA firm. Sometimes seeing a $50-75k professional services estimate helps business owners understand why their part-time bookkeeper (earning below standard rates, no less) isn't the right person for this job. You might also want to suggest they prioritize which years to address first based on statute of limitations. The IRS generally has 3 years to audit, so 2021-2023 would be the highest priority for compliance purposes.

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Zainab Ali

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You're absolutely doing the right thing by maintaining your boundaries. As someone who's dealt with similar accounting disasters, I can tell you that a $340k retained earnings discrepancy with phantom assets and missing liabilities is not a part-time bookkeeping project - it's a full-scale forensic accounting engagement. The fact that the previous admin was making changes to closed years is particularly alarming from a compliance perspective. This suggests potential issues with previously filed returns that could trigger audit exposure. Here's my suggested approach: Create a detailed findings memo that includes (1) specific examples of the major discrepancies you've found, (2) an honest assessment that this requires 200-300+ hours of specialized work, and (3) a strong recommendation to engage a CPA firm experienced in multi-year accounting reconstructions. Don't feel guilty about saying no. You were hired for current operations, not to fix years of accumulated errors at below-market rates while managing health challenges. Your responsibility is to identify problems and recommend appropriate solutions - which you've done. The owner needs to understand this isn't about unwillingness to help, it's about ensuring the work gets done properly by someone with the right expertise, capacity, and professional insurance to handle this level of complexity. A botched reconstruction attempt could make things worse, not better. Document everything, make your recommendations clear, and help them find qualified professionals. That's the most responsible path forward for everyone involved.

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Yuki Yamamoto

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This is exactly what I needed to hear. The forensic accounting angle really puts this in perspective - when someone has been making changes to previously filed years without proper documentation, you're dealing with potential compliance issues that could expose the business to significant penalties. I'm going to follow your suggestion about creating a detailed findings memo. Including that scope estimate of 200-300+ hours should help the owner understand why this isn't something I can tackle in my 16 hours per week, especially while managing my current responsibilities and health limitations. The point about professional insurance is particularly important - if something goes wrong during a reconstruction of this magnitude, I wouldn't have the coverage that a CPA firm would have. That's another important reason to refer this to the right professionals. Thanks for reinforcing that identifying and documenting these issues properly IS doing my job. Sometimes it's hard not to feel like you're abandoning a sinking ship, but you're right that a botched attempt could make everything worse.

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