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25% owner of a race horse - best way to file taxes for partial horse ownership?

So I got myself into a bit of an interesting tax situation with race horses and could use some advice... I bought a 25% stake in a standardbred horse for harness racing (my share was $24,000 of a $96,000 horse). Unfortunately, the horse developed a serious medical condition shortly after purchase and had to be euthanized before ever racing. Between my portion of the purchase price and all the training/vet/boarding expenses, I'm out about $9,500. After that disappointment, our group purchased another horse that's currently in training and expected to start racing this year. The main owner (75% ownership) has an LLC for his racing operations but has told me he won't be issuing K-1s for the partial owners like me. My questions are: 1. How should I report income when this new horse starts racing? 2. Can I deduct the $9,500 loss from the first horse? If so, how? 3. Should I form my own LLC for my 25% ownership interest? 4. Can I deduct travel expenses to see the horse race? (I live in a different state from where the races are held) Just want to make sure I'm handling everything correctly tax-wise. This isn't a common scenario and I'm having trouble finding solid information. Thanks for any advice!

Alice Coleman

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You've got yourself in an interesting situation! Horse racing activities can be treated as either a hobby or a business for tax purposes, and that distinction makes a huge difference. If you're treating this as a business, you need to demonstrate that you're engaged in the activity with the intent to make a profit. The IRS generally presumes an activity is a business if it makes a profit in at least 3 of 5 consecutive years (2 of 7 years for horse racing specifically because they recognize it's a longer-term investment). Since the main owner has an LLC but isn't issuing K-1s, it sounds like he's not treating this as a formal partnership. You have a few options: 1. You could report your share of income and expenses on Schedule C as a sole proprietor if you're actively involved in management decisions. 2. For the deceased horse, those losses might be deductible if you can establish this as a business activity on Schedule C. If it's considered a hobby, loss deductions are much more limited. 3. Creating your own LLC might help with liability but doesn't change how you're taxed unless you elect different tax treatment. 4. Travel expenses could be deductible business expenses if the primary purpose is business-related (checking on your investment, meeting with trainers, etc.

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Owen Jenkins

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But isn't this legally a partnership regardless of whether the 75% owner wants to acknowledge it? Shouldn't they be required to file partnership returns and issue K-1s? Also wondering about hobby loss rules here and if the horse activities meet the 9 factors test that the IRS uses?

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Alice Coleman

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You raise a good point. From a technical perspective, yes, this arrangement likely meets the definition of a partnership for tax purposes regardless of whether formal partnership papers were filed. The IRS defines a partnership as two or more persons who join together to carry on a trade or business, with each contributing money, property, or services and expecting to share in profits and losses. Regarding the hobby loss rules, you're right to bring up the 9-factor test. Horse racing is interesting because the IRS gives it special treatment with the longer 2-out-of-7 years presumption. But beyond that, they still look at factors like: whether the activity is conducted in a businesslike manner, the expertise of the taxpayer, time and effort spent, expectation that assets may appreciate, success in similar activities, history of income/losses, occasional profits, financial status of taxpayer, and elements of personal pleasure/recreation.

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Lilah Brooks

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Kolton Murphy

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I'm skeptical. Did it actually help with the specific situation of being a minority owner when the majority owner refuses to issue K-1s? That's the real issue here and I doubt an AI tool can fix human problems like a partner not following proper tax procedures.

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Lilah Brooks

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Evelyn Rivera

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Arjun Patel

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Sounds like a scam. They can't magically bypass IRS phone systems - they'd be waiting in the same queue as everyone else. And why would you need to talk to the IRS about this anyway? This is more of a tax preparer question than an IRS question.

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Evelyn Rivera

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Arjun Patel

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Jade Lopez

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As someone who's owned race horses for years, here's my experience: the horse racing industry often operates pretty informally with these ownership arrangements which causes tax headaches. You definitely SHOULD be getting a K-1, but many operations avoid this. Your best protection is to 1) document everything meticulously 2) treat it as a business with proper recordkeeping 3) consider a "Schedule C: Racing Activities" approach if the main owner refuses to provide K-1s. Also consider writing up a simple operating agreement even after the fact to document your intentions for tax purposes.

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Tony Brooks

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For the deceased horse specifically, would you suggest claiming that as a business loss or capital loss? I'm wondering if the fact it never raced makes a difference in how the IRS would view the loss.

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Jade Lopez

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For the deceased horse, I would claim it as an ordinary business loss on Schedule C rather than a capital loss, assuming you can demonstrate business intent. The fact that the horse never raced doesn't automatically disqualify it from being a business activity. Think of it like any other business asset that failed before generating income. To strengthen your position, document all the steps you took toward eventual racing - training schedules, vet checkups, racing preparations, discussions with trainers, research on race schedules, etc. This shows you were actively preparing for business operations, even though racing never materialized due to unforeseen circumstances. The IRS is looking for the intent and effort toward profit-making activity, not just actual race results.

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Has anyone addressed the state tax implications here? Since OP lives in a different state than where the horse races, there might be nonresident state filing requirements too. I had horses racing in 5 different states one year and had to file returns in each state where purse money was earned. Something else to consider!

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Yara Campbell

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Yes! I had to deal with this too. Some states are really aggressive about collecting taxes from nonresident horse owners. Kentucky especially wants their cut if your horse races there. It's a whole extra layer of complexity.

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Mila Walker

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This is a complex situation that highlights why proper documentation is so critical in horse racing partnerships. From what you've described, you're likely in a de facto partnership regardless of whether the main owner acknowledges it formally. A few key considerations: 1. **The deceased horse loss**: Document everything - purchase agreements, vet bills, training expenses, insurance claims if any. This should be deductible as an ordinary business loss if you can demonstrate business intent (which the fact that you immediately purchased another horse helps establish). 2. **Partnership vs. Schedule C**: While technically this sounds like a partnership, if the majority owner refuses to file partnership returns, you may need to report your share on Schedule C. Keep meticulous records of all expenses, income, and communications showing your active involvement in business decisions. 3. **Travel expenses**: These are generally deductible if the primary purpose is business-related (checking on your investment, meeting with trainers, evaluating performance). Keep detailed records of the business purpose for each trip. 4. **Documentation strategy**: Even without formal partnership papers, create a written agreement outlining ownership percentages, profit/loss sharing, and decision-making authority. This helps establish legitimate business intent. Consider consulting with a tax professional who has experience with horse racing activities - this isn't a DIY situation given the complexity and potential audit risk.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the audit risk you mentioned - are horse racing activities particularly scrutinized by the IRS? Also, when you say "create a written agreement" even after the fact, wouldn't that look suspicious if audited since it wasn't done at the time of purchase? I'm worried about doing anything that might make the situation look manufactured rather than genuine.

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CosmicCowboy

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@6c8b604cd9c9 You're absolutely right to be cautious about documentation timing! Horse racing activities do face higher scrutiny because the IRS is well aware that many people treat it as a hobby while claiming business deductions. The key is authenticity - any written agreement should reflect the actual understanding you had from the beginning, not create new terms. For audit protection, focus on documenting your existing business relationship rather than manufacturing one. Things like: email chains showing your involvement in training decisions, records of you visiting the horses, communications about racing strategy, financial tracking of your investment returns. The IRS wants to see genuine business activity and profit motive. If you do create a written agreement, frame it as "memorializing our existing understanding" rather than establishing new terms. Include details that reflect what actually happened - like how you split the costs of the deceased horse, how decisions were made about the second purchase, your agreed ownership percentage, etc. This shows you're documenting reality, not creating fiction. The audit risk is manageable if you have legitimate business intent and proper records. Just avoid the common red flags like claiming huge losses year after year with no realistic path to profitability.

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of establishing your material participation in the horse racing activity. Even if you're a 25% minority owner, if you can demonstrate that you materially participate in the business (more than 500 hours per year, or if this is your primary business activity), it can help classify your involvement as active rather than passive. This distinction is crucial because active participants can deduct losses against other income, while passive activity losses are generally limited to passive income. Given that you live in a different state, documenting your involvement becomes even more important - keep records of phone calls with trainers, time spent researching bloodlines, reviewing race schedules, analyzing performance data, etc. Also, regarding the LLC question - while it won't change your tax treatment unless you elect different status, it could provide liability protection if the horse injures someone or causes property damage. Horse racing does carry inherent risks that personal liability insurance might not fully cover. For the immediate tax situation, I'd recommend filing Form 8275 (Disclosure Statement) along with your return to explain your position on reporting the income/expenses without a K-1. This shows good faith compliance and can help avoid penalties if the IRS later determines different treatment was required.

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Ravi Kapoor

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This is excellent advice about material participation! I hadn't considered the 500-hour test, but that makes total sense for determining active vs passive status. For someone in OP's situation living out of state, documenting those hours becomes crucial - even research time and phone consultations should count toward material participation. The Form 8275 disclosure is a smart protective measure too. It shows the IRS you're aware of potential reporting issues and are making a good faith effort to comply despite not receiving proper documentation from your business partner. One question about the LLC liability protection - would that actually help in a situation where you're only a 25% owner? I'm wondering if the majority owner's insurance policies would already cover incidents involving the horse, or if minority owners need their own separate coverage.

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