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Tax Filing Questions for a Small Cattery Business: Conflicting Information About LLC, Schedule C, and Livestock Classification

I need some help with tax preparation for my cat breeding business. I've been getting so many different answers and I'm more confused now than when I started! My cattery is registered as an LLC (sole proprietor, just me running it). I've already turned a profit in my first year and I'm expecting to be more profitable this year since I've gotten smarter about expenses. I keep detailed records of all income and expenses with everything categorized properly, and I have a separate Chase business account for the cattery. Here's what I'm confused about: - Is all the money from my cattery considered self-employment income? When filing forms asking about my income, do I report the entire amount the cattery earned as my personal income? A TurboTax person told me the full cattery revenue would be my gross income, and after expenses would be my net income - is that right? - Are cats classified as "livestock" for tax purposes? I've heard both yes and no. Do I need to fill out a different form for farm animals, or would I use Schedule C like for dogs/cats businesses? - If cats ARE livestock, can I choose between listing my breeding cats as depreciating assets or as inventory? I think I read something about not being able to claim food expenses anymore with one of these methods? And something about the inventory approach being better for tax purposes - maybe related to capital gains rates? I'm sorry this is all over the place, but I've read so many conflicting things and gotten such mixed advice that my head is spinning. Any help would be appreciated!

Based on my experience with small business taxes, I can help clear up some of this confusion for you. Your cattery LLC that's taxed as a sole proprietorship means all business income passes through to your personal tax return. So yes, the TurboTax advisor was correct - you'll report the full amount your cattery earned as gross income on Schedule C, and then deduct your business expenses to calculate your net profit, which becomes your self-employment income. Regarding the livestock question - for tax purposes, cats aren't typically classified as livestock. The IRS generally considers cat breeding operations to report on Schedule C like other non-farm businesses. Livestock classification is mainly for agricultural animals (cattle, sheep, pigs, etc.). For your breeding cats, you'd generally treat them as business assets rather than inventory since they produce the "product" (kittens) rather than being the product themselves. You could potentially depreciate the cost of acquiring your breeding cats over their useful breeding life. The kittens you sell would be your "inventory" in a sense, but most small breeders don't need to use complex inventory accounting methods. All your reasonable and ordinary business expenses - including food, veterinary care, supplies, marketing, etc. - should be deductible regardless of how you classify your breeding cats. Just make sure to keep excellent records of everything.

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Thank you so much for clarifying! That makes a lot more sense. So I'll definitely be using Schedule C then since it sounds like cats don't qualify as livestock for tax purposes. One follow-up question - when I buy a new breeding cat, would I just list the entire purchase price as a business expense in that tax year, or do I need to depreciate the cost over several years? And approximately how many years would be considered a "useful breeding life" for tax depreciation purposes?

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For a breeding cat, the IRS would generally consider this a capital asset that should be depreciated rather than expensed all at once. The typical useful life for breeding animals is about 5-7 years for tax purposes, though this can vary. You'd use Form 4562 to calculate and report this depreciation. If the cat cost less than the current Section 179 deduction threshold (which is substantial), you could potentially elect to expense the entire cost in the year of purchase instead of depreciating. However, most breeders find it more advantageous to depreciate these costs since breeding cats typically remain productive for multiple years.

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I found mine through a local breeder association actually. I asked at one of our meetings if anyone could recommend a tax professional who understands the business, and several people recommended the same person. If you're part of any cat breeder groups or associations, that would be my first suggestion. If that doesn't work, try contacting your state's veterinary or agricultural extension services - they often maintain lists of professionals who work with animal businesses. Another approach is to call accounting firms and specifically ask if they have clients who are breeders or animal businesses. The key is finding someone who has multiple clients in similar businesses - they'll understand all the specialized deductions and classification issues immediately instead of having to research everything.

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What breed of cats do you work with? I'm curious because different breeds can have different costs and profitability. I breed Maine Coons, and my tax situation has gotten more complex as my business has grown.

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Not the OP, but I breed Bengals and my tax situation is a nightmare! The costs for quality breeding stock are so high that depreciation becomes a significant tax consideration. Plus all the specialized food and genetic testing costs... Curious what breeds OP works with too.

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I breed Ragdolls primarily, with a few Siberians. You're right that the costs vary significantly - my initial investment in breeding cats was substantial (around $18,000 for my foundation cats), which is why I was so concerned about how to properly account for them on taxes. The specialized food, genetic testing, and vet care are definitely significant expenses too. I'm tracking everything meticulously, but was getting confused about whether to categorize the breeding cats as business assets to depreciate or as inventory. Based on the advice here, it sounds like depreciating them as assets is the way to go.

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For breeding cats like Ragdolls and Siberians with high initial costs, you're definitely on the right track treating them as depreciable assets rather than inventory. Given your $18,000 investment in foundation cats, this will help spread that cost over their productive breeding years. One thing to consider with high-value breeding cats is that you might want to explore the Section 179 deduction option Dylan mentioned earlier. For 2024, the Section 179 limit is $1,160,000, so you could potentially deduct the full cost of your breeding cats in the year you acquired them rather than depreciating over 5-7 years. This could provide a significant tax benefit in your first profitable year. However, run the numbers both ways - sometimes spreading the deduction over multiple years through depreciation works better for your overall tax situation, especially if you expect to be in higher tax brackets in future years. Also, make sure you're tracking all those breed-specific expenses like genetic testing, specialized nutrition, and show costs if you exhibition your cats. These are often overlooked deductions that can add up significantly for high-end breeding operations. The key is maintaining detailed records of everything - sounds like you're already doing this well with your separate business account and expense tracking.

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This is really helpful advice about the Section 179 deduction! I hadn't considered that option for my breeding cats. With my $18,000 initial investment, being able to deduct the full amount in my first profitable year could make a huge difference. I'm definitely going to run the numbers both ways - immediate deduction versus depreciation over several years. Since I'm expecting higher profits in future years as my breeding program matures, the timing of these deductions could really impact my overall tax situation. Thanks for mentioning the breed-specific expenses too. I've been tracking genetic testing and specialized food costs, but I hadn't thought about show expenses being deductible. I do show some of my cats for breeding reputation, so I'll make sure to keep records of those costs as well. It's reassuring to know that my record-keeping approach with the separate business account seems to be on the right track. This conversation has given me so much more clarity than all the conflicting advice I was getting before!

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I run a small accounting practice and work with several animal breeding businesses, so I can add some clarity to your situation. First, you're absolutely correct that as an LLC taxed as a sole proprietorship, all your cattery income flows through to your personal return via Schedule C. The TurboTax advisor gave you accurate information there. Regarding the livestock classification - this is where a lot of confusion comes from. Cats are generally NOT considered livestock for IRS purposes. The IRS Publication 225 (Farmer's Tax Guide) specifically covers livestock, and domestic cats used for breeding are typically treated as regular business assets under Schedule C rather than agricultural livestock. For your breeding cats, treating them as depreciable business assets is usually the most advantageous approach. You can depreciate them over their useful breeding life (typically 5-7 years) or potentially use Section 179 to expense the full cost in the year of purchase if it makes sense for your tax situation. One important note: make sure you're prepared for self-employment tax on your net profit. Since this is Schedule C income, you'll owe both income tax and self-employment tax (Social Security/Medicare) on your cattery profits. Keep doing what you're doing with the detailed records and separate business account - that's exactly what you need for a clean tax filing. The fact that you're profitable in year one with good expense tracking puts you in a strong position.

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Thank you so much for the professional perspective! It's really reassuring to hear from an accountant who actually works with breeding businesses. I had no idea about the self-employment tax implications - that's something none of the other sources mentioned. So I'll need to budget for both regular income tax AND the additional Social Security/Medicare taxes on my cattery profits. That's definitely important to plan for. Your confirmation about cats not being livestock and using Schedule C gives me confidence I'm on the right track. I was getting so confused by all the conflicting information, but hearing it from someone who deals with these situations regularly makes it much clearer. One quick question - when you mention Section 179 versus depreciation, is there a general rule of thumb for deciding which approach works better? My breeding cat investment was around $18k, and I'm trying to figure out if taking the full deduction this year or spreading it out would be more beneficial.

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