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Has anyone used TurboTax for reporting trader status? Their interface is confusing me when I try to enter these platform fees as business expenses.
TurboTax isn't great for trader status. You need to create a Schedule C as if trading is your business, but be careful not to include the actual trades there (those still go on Schedule D). Only your expenses like platform fees, education, office, etc go on Schedule C. I switched to a professional preparer because TurboTax kept giving me errors.
@Sean Matthews is right about TurboTax being tricky for trader status. I had the same issue last year. The key is to NOT put your actual stock trades on Schedule C - those always go on Schedule D or 8949. Only the business expenses like platform fees, data subscriptions, trading education, home office allocation, etc. go on Schedule C. In TurboTax, you ll'need to start a Business "section" and create a sole proprietorship for your trading business. Then under business expenses, you can categorize things like your ThinkorSwim platform fees under Other "Business Expenses or" Software/Subscriptions. "Just" make sure you have good records showing you actually qualify for trader status based on frequency and holding periods. If TurboTax keeps flagging errors, it might be worth the extra cost to use a tax pro who understands trader tax elections. The software isn t'really designed for this more complex scenario.
Maya, I went through the exact same situation with similar commission amounts last year. Here's what I learned after digging deep into this: 1. **Trading commissions** - These are already baked into your cost basis on your 1099-B forms. When you buy stock for $1000 with a $5 commission, your cost basis is reported as $1005. When you sell for $1200 with another $5 commission, proceeds show as $1195. So those per-trade fees are already handled. 2. **Platform subscription fees** - These are the tricky ones. Your monthly ThinkorSwim fees, data packages, or premium features aren't included in cost basis calculations. Under current tax law (post-2017), these generally can't be deducted as miscellaneous itemized deductions. 3. **The trader status exception** - If you qualify as a "trader" rather than an "investor" in the IRS's eyes, you can deduct platform fees as business expenses on Schedule C. The requirements are strict: frequent trading (think hundreds of trades), short holding periods (days/weeks not months), and substantial time commitment to trading activities. With $25k in total fees, it's definitely worth having a tax professional review your situation. They can help determine if you might qualify for trader status and ensure you're not missing any legitimate deductions while staying compliant with IRS rules.
This is super helpful Emma! I'm curious about the "substantial time commitment" requirement for trader status. What does the IRS actually consider substantial? I probably spend 3-4 hours a day researching and executing trades, but I also have a full-time job. Does having other employment automatically disqualify you from trader status, or is it more about the actual hours you can document?
Just wanted to add one more option that worked for me when I was in a similar situation - check if you have any old tax preparation receipts or confirmation emails from that year. I found a receipt from Liberty Tax that I had completely forgotten about, and when I called them, they still had my return on file with all the W-2s attached. Also, if you used any online banking or financial apps like Mint or Personal Capital back in 2015, they sometimes import and store tax document information that you might be able to access even years later. I was able to pull some income details from my old Mint account that helped me verify information when requesting transcripts from the IRS. One last thing - if you're dealing with multiple missing documents, consider creating a spreadsheet to track what you've tried and what you still need. This whole process can get overwhelming with all the different options, and having everything organized really helped me stay on top of which approaches were working and which weren't. Good luck getting everything sorted out!
The spreadsheet idea is brilliant! I'm definitely someone who gets overwhelmed trying to keep track of multiple approaches at once, so having everything organized in one place would really help me stay focused and not duplicate efforts. The tip about checking old financial apps like Mint is something I never would have considered - I think I did use Personal Capital briefly around that time and completely forgot about it. Even if the apps don't have the full documents, having those income details for verification purposes could make the IRS transcript request process much smoother. And you're so right about old tax prep receipts! I'm pretty good about keeping financial paperwork but I bet I have some random receipts stuffed in a folder somewhere that I dismissed as unimportant. Liberty Tax, H&R Block, all those places probably have much better record retention than I'm giving them credit for. Thanks for the comprehensive suggestions - this gives me a bunch of new avenues to explore!
I've been following this thread and wanted to share my own experience since I just went through this process successfully last month. The IRS Get Transcript service really is the gold standard - I was able to get wage and income transcripts going back to 2016 that included all my W-2 and 1099 data. The online identity verification was tricky at first (kept getting denied), but I called the IRS helpline and they walked me through submitting Form 4506-T by mail instead. Took about 3 weeks but got exactly what I needed. One thing I learned that might help - if you're missing multiple years of documents, you can request transcripts for several tax years at once on the same form. Just make sure to be specific about which type of transcript you need (the "Wage and Income Transcript" for W-2/1099 data vs. other types). Also wanted to echo what others said about corporate HR being way more helpful than individual locations. When I needed verification for an old retail job, the store level couldn't help at all, but corporate was able to confirm employment dates and direct me to their payroll processor within one phone call. The whole process was way less stressful than I built it up to be in my head. Don't let the embarrassment of past workplace situations keep you from getting documents you're legally entitled to - there are definitely multiple paths to get this resolved without having to face old managers!
The Innovation Refunds story really highlights a broader problem with how COVID relief programs were exploited. What's particularly frustrating is that the ERC was actually a well-intentioned program that could have genuinely helped qualifying businesses, but these aggressive marketing companies turned it into a get-rich-quick scheme. I've been researching this topic extensively since the WSJ article came out, and what's shocking is the sheer scale of potentially fraudulent claims. The IRS estimates that 10-20% of the $230+ billion in ERC claims may be improper. That's not just a few bad actors - that's a systemic problem. For anyone still dealing with uncertainty about their ERC claims, I'd recommend documenting everything: your original business impact during COVID, the exact promises made by whatever company you used, and any communications about qualification criteria. If the IRS does come calling, having a clear paper trail of what you were told versus what the actual rules were could be crucial for penalty relief. The saddest part is that legitimate small businesses that truly qualified for ERC benefits now have to worry about increased scrutiny because of these mills that flooded the system with questionable claims. It's yet another way that small businesses got hurt during an already difficult time.
This is such an important perspective, and you're absolutely right about the systemic nature of the problem. What really bothers me is how these ERC mills essentially weaponized legitimate small business struggles for profit. I'm new to this community but have been following the Innovation Refunds situation closely because it affects so many businesses in my area. The 10-20% improper claim estimate you mentioned is staggering - that's potentially $23-46 billion in questionable refunds that taxpayers ultimately have to cover. Your point about documentation is crucial. I've been telling other small business owners to treat this like they're building a legal defense case, because in many ways, they are. Keep records of every marketing email, sales call transcript, and promise made by these companies. The difference between what businesses were told and what the actual ERC rules required could be the key to avoiding penalties for those who acted in good faith. It's frustrating that legitimate businesses now face this cloud of suspicion, but I guess that's the inevitable result when bad actors flood a system designed to help during a crisis.
As someone new to this community but unfortunately not new to ERC headaches, I wanted to share my experience and ask for advice. I used a company similar to Innovation Refunds last year after getting multiple cold calls promising my restaurant qualified for "up to $26,000 per employee" in COVID relief. The red flags were there in hindsight - they guaranteed qualification before even looking at my books, charged a 20% fee upfront, and kept pushing me to file quickly before some imaginary deadline. But as a small restaurant owner who barely survived 2020-2021, the promise of legitimate government relief was too tempting to ignore. Now I'm sitting here with a $180,000 ERC refund that I'm terrified might not be legitimate. The company calculated my revenue decline using methods that don't seem to match what people are describing as the actual IRS requirements. They compared my worst month in 2020 to my best month in 2019, which even I know doesn't sound right. Has anyone successfully navigated the process of voluntarily correcting a questionable ERC claim before the IRS catches it? I'd rather deal with this proactively than wait for an audit notice. The stress is killing me, and I can't be the only business owner in this situation.
I'm so sorry you're dealing with this stress - you're definitely not alone in this situation. The fact that they compared your worst month in 2020 to your best month in 2019 is a huge red flag, as the ERC requires quarter-to-quarter comparisons using specific calculation methods. From what I've been reading in this thread and other sources, voluntary correction through amended returns is generally viewed more favorably by the IRS than waiting for them to discover issues during an audit. The key is acting in good faith and being transparent about the problems with your original claim. I'd strongly recommend getting that claim analyzed by an independent tax professional immediately - several people here have mentioned services that can help identify specific issues with ERC claims. Having a detailed breakdown of what's wrong (and what might actually be legitimate) will help you and your CPA determine the best path forward. The $180,000 is substantial, so you'll want to understand exactly which quarters were incorrectly claimed versus any that might actually qualify under the real rules. Don't let the stress paralyze you into inaction - being proactive now is your best protection against worse consequences later.
I messed this up last year and its important to know! If ur 17 year old files there own return make sure they DONT claim themselves as independent!! My son did this and then when I filed claiming him as a dependent, we got a letter from IRS months later saying we had conflicting returns. Was a huge headache to fix!!!!
How did you resolve this? My daughter did the same thing using some free online tax filing and I'm worried we're going to get audited now.
This is exactly the kind of confusion that trips up so many parents! The good news is that your situation is straightforward - you can definitely still claim your 17-year-old as a dependent even with his part-time job income. The key thing to understand is that for a "qualifying child" (which your son is), there's no income limit at all. The tests are: relationship (he's your son β), age (under 19 or under 24 if student β), residency (lives with you more than half the year β), and support (you provide more than half his support β). Since you mentioned you pay for more than half his expenses and he lives with you full-time, you clearly meet the support test. His $5,800-$7,000 income won't disqualify him as your dependent. A few important reminders: - You don't include his income on your return - He should file his own return if taxes were withheld (to get refunds) - Make sure he checks the box saying "someone can claim me as a dependent" on his return - This prevents the conflicting returns issue that some others mentioned You're being smart to double-check everything with his first job - it shows you want to do things right!
Thanks for breaking this down so clearly! I'm actually in a similar situation with my 16-year-old who just started working at a local grocery store. She's probably going to make around $4,000 this year and I was panicking thinking I'd lose the dependent exemption. One follow-up question though - when you say "you provide more than half his support," does that include things like her cell phone bill and car insurance that I pay for? I'm trying to calculate whether the money she spends on clothes and going out with friends might push her over the 50% threshold for supporting herself.
Sarah Jones
Does anyone know if TurboTax Business can handle LLC returns regardless of the classification? My LLC is set up as an S-Corp and I'm trying to decide if I need to hire an accountant or can DIY.
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Sebastian Scott
β’I used TurboTax Business last year for my S-Corp and it worked fine, but honestly it was pretty complicated. If your situation is simple it might be OK, but if you have multiple income streams, employees, or significant deductions, you might want a professional. The S-Corp payroll requirements alone can be tricky.
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Paolo Longo
@Layla Mendes - I went through this exact same confusion when I first started my LLC! Here's what I learned: if you only have one member (just yourself), your LLC automatically defaults to "disregarded entity" status, which means you file taxes as a sole proprietor using Schedule C on your personal return. You don't need to file a separate business return. The easiest way to confirm is to look for any Form 8832 or Form 2553 in your records - these would show if you made a special election. If you can't find either of these forms, you're almost certainly under the default classification. Since you mentioned this is for a web design business you started last year, you'll likely be filing Schedule C with your 2025 personal tax return. Just make sure to track all your business expenses throughout the year - things like software subscriptions, equipment, home office expenses, etc. can really add up to significant deductions! If you want to double-check, the IRS business line at 800-829-4933 can tell you what's on file, though be prepared for potentially long wait times.
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Zoey Bianchi
β’This is really helpful advice! I'm also a newcomer to the LLC world and had no idea about the default classifications. Just to clarify - if I have a single-member LLC and stick with the disregarded entity status, do I still need to get an EIN or can I just use my SSN on the Schedule C? And are there any downsides to staying with the default classification versus electing S-Corp status for a small web design business?
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