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Nasira Ibanez

What reasons can you be denied unemployment benefits in Washington ESD?

I'm thinking about filing for unemployment but want to understand all the ways Washington ESD can deny your claim before I go through the process. I've heard there are specific reasons they'll automatically reject you but I can't find a comprehensive list anywhere. Does anyone know what the main disqualification reasons are? I want to make sure I don't waste time applying if I'm not eligible.

The main reasons Washington ESD denies claims are: quit without good cause, fired for misconduct, not available for work, not actively seeking work, refusing suitable work, not earning enough in your base period, or having an issue with your identity verification. There's also stuff like being on strike or being self-employed.

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What counts as 'misconduct' exactly? I was written up a few times but never anything major.

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Misconduct has to be willful and substantial. Minor stuff usually doesn't count unless it's a pattern that shows you deliberately disregarded your employer's interests.

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Don't forget about the work search requirements! Even if you qualify initially, they can cut you off if you're not doing enough job searches each week. It's 3 job contacts per week minimum in Washington.

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Actually it depends on your area - some regions require more than 3. Check your local WorkSource office requirements.

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How strict are they about documenting the job searches? Do they actually verify?

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They can audit you anytime and ask for proof. Keep detailed records in WorkSourceWA or you could get disqualified.

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How much does something like that cost though? I'm already broke which is why I need unemployment.

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I think it's worth it if you have complex questions about your eligibility. Better to know upfront than get denied later and have to appeal.

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I'll check that out, thanks. The Washington ESD phone system is impossible.

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I got denied because I didn't earn enough in my base period. Apparently you need to earn at least $1,000 in your highest quarter AND your total base period wages have to be 1.25 times your highest quarter. Nobody tells you this stuff upfront!

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What's a base period? Is that just the last year you worked?

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It's the first 4 of the last 5 completed quarters before you file. So if you file in January 2025, your base period would be October 2023 through September 2024.

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You can sometimes use an alternate base period if the regular one doesn't qualify you - it uses the last 4 completed quarters instead.

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Being fired for attendance issues is tricky. If it's due to illness or family emergency, you might still qualify. But if you were just chronically late or calling out without good reason, that's misconduct.

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What about if you were fired for performance issues? Like you tried your best but just couldn't do the job well enough?

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Performance issues usually aren't considered misconduct unless you were deliberately not trying or ignoring training. Inability to do the job is different from unwillingness.

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I quit my job because my boss was harassing me but Washington ESD still denied my claim. They said I should have reported it to HR first. So even if you have good cause, you have to jump through hoops to prove it.

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Did you appeal the decision? That sounds like it should qualify as good cause.

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Yeah I'm appealing but it's taking forever. The whole system is designed to deny people first and make you fight for it.

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Don't forget about the one-week waiting period too. Even if you qualify, you don't get paid for your first week. It's not really a denial but it catches people off guard.

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Wait, so even if everything goes perfectly, I won't get paid for the first week I file?

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Correct. The waiting week is unpaid but you still have to file your weekly claim for it.

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Also watch out for the able and available requirement. If you're going to school full-time, have restricted availability, or can't work due to childcare issues without making arrangements first, they can deny you.

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What if you're in school part-time? I'm thinking about taking some classes while unemployed.

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Part-time is usually okay as long as it doesn't interfere with your ability to work. You have to be available for full-time work during normal business hours.

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This is getting complicated. Maybe I should just try to find a job instead of dealing with all these rules.

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If you're an independent contractor or gig worker, regular UI probably won't work for you. You need to have been an employee with taxes taken out of your paychecks.

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What about if you did both - had a regular job and some 1099 work on the side?

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The regular job wages would count toward your base period, but the 1099 income wouldn't. You'd file based on your W-2 employment.

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I got denied because of an issue with my Social Security number verification. Apparently there was some mismatch in their system and it took weeks to straighten out. Make sure all your info is exactly correct when you apply.

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How did you get that fixed? Did you have to go to an office in person?

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I had to send in copies of my Social Security card and driver's license. It was a pain but they eventually sorted it out.

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Another thing - if you move out of state while collecting, you have to report it and follow the other state's work search rules. Some states have agreements with Washington but others don't.

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Good to know. I wasn't planning to move but that could definitely trip people up.

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The seasonal worker thing is confusing too. If you work in seasonal industries like agriculture or tourism, there are special rules about when you can collect benefits.

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I work construction and we get laid off every winter. How does that work with unemployment?

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Construction usually isn't seasonal in the same way. You should be able to collect as long as you meet the other requirements.

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Here's something that happened to my coworker - she got denied because she was receiving workers comp at the same time she applied for unemployment. You can't collect both simultaneously.

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That makes sense I guess. Workers comp means you can't work, unemployment means you can work but can't find a job.

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Don't forget about the interstate claims issue. If you worked in multiple states, you might need to file in a different state than where you live now. Washington has agreements with some states but not others.

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How do you figure out which state to file in?

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Generally you file in the state where you worked most recently, but if you worked in multiple states it gets more complicated.

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Age discrimination is real but hard to prove for unemployment purposes. If you're over 50 and got laid off, you still need to actively look for work even though it's harder to find jobs.

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The job search requirement feels impossible when you're older. Employers clearly don't want to hire people my age.

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I get it, but Washington ESD doesn't care about the discrimination aspect. You still have to document your searches and be available for any suitable work offers.

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Military spouses have some special considerations too. If you quit to move for your spouse's PCS orders, that's usually considered good cause. But you have to document everything properly.

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That's helpful to know. The military situation stuff seems really specific.

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Bottom line - Washington ESD starts with the assumption that you DON'T qualify and makes you prove that you do. Keep documentation of everything: your termination, pay stubs, job search activities, any communication with employers. You'll need it if there are any issues.

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This has been super helpful everyone. Sounds like I need to be really careful about how I document everything from the start.

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Exactly. And don't assume they'll tell you what they need - be proactive about providing documentation.

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One more thing - if you have any kind of severance agreement or non-compete clause, make sure it doesn't affect your ability to work. Washington ESD will consider that when determining if you're available for work.

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Good point. I do have a non-compete but it's pretty narrow in scope.

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As long as it doesn't prevent you from taking most jobs in your field, you should be okay. But be prepared to explain it if they ask.

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Final advice - if you do get denied and need to appeal, don't wait. You only have 30 days from the date of the determination letter. And if you need help understanding the process or getting through to someone at Washington ESD, check out claimyr.com. Sometimes talking to an actual person can clear up issues that seem impossible to resolve online.

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Thanks everyone. This thread has been way more helpful than the Washington ESD website. I feel like I actually understand what I'm getting into now.

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Good luck! File as soon as you're eligible and don't let the process intimidate you. Most people who qualify do get approved eventually.

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