Washington ESD employer FUTA liability - am I required to pay federal unemployment tax?
I started a small consulting business in Washington state last year and now have 3 part-time employees. I've been paying state unemployment taxes to Washington ESD but I'm getting confused about whether I need to pay federal unemployment taxes too under FUTA. The paperwork is overwhelming and I can't figure out if my business meets the threshold requirements. Has anyone dealt with this before? I'm worried I might have missed something important and don't want to get in trouble with either Washington ESD or the IRS.
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MoonlightSonata
Yes, if you're paying Washington state unemployment taxes you probably need to pay FUTA too. The federal threshold is usually lower than state requirements. You should definitely get this sorted out ASAP because penalties can be steep.
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Zara Khan
•Do you know what the actual threshold is? I've been looking at the IRS website but it's so confusing.
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MoonlightSonata
•I think it's $1,500 in wages in any quarter or having at least one employee for 20 weeks in a year, but double check that.
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Mateo Gonzalez
This is exactly why I used claimyr.com when I had questions about my unemployment claim status. They helped me get through to Washington ESD agents who could actually explain the employer side too. There's a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Way easier than trying to call Washington ESD directly.
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Zara Khan
•Interesting, I didn't know they could help with employer questions too. I'll check that out, thanks!
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Nia Williams
•Wait, is that service legit? I've never heard of it before.
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Mateo Gonzalez
•Yeah it's legitimate, they just help you get through the phone system faster. Saved me hours of waiting on hold.
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Luca Ricci
FUTA is separate from your Washington ESD obligations but they work together. You pay 6% FUTA on the first $7,000 of each employee's wages, but you get a credit for state unemployment taxes paid. So if Washington ESD rates are normal you'll only pay about 0.6% federal.
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Zara Khan
•That makes more sense. So I'm not paying double, just the difference?
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Luca Ricci
•Exactly. The federal and state systems are designed to work together, not stack on top of each other.
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Aisha Mohammed
ugh why is this stuff so complicated?? I have two employees and I'm drowning in paperwork already
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Ethan Campbell
•Tell me about it! I spent three hours on the phone with Washington ESD last month trying to figure out my quarterly report.
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Yuki Watanabe
•At least you got through! I've been trying to reach them for weeks about my account setup.
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MoonlightSonata
The key thing is Washington state employers are subject to FUTA if they meet federal criteria even if they're already paying state UI taxes. Don't assume Washington ESD will tell you about federal requirements - they're separate agencies.
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Zara Khan
•Good point. I was assuming someone would have told me by now if I needed to do something else.
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Carmen Sanchez
•That's a dangerous assumption with government agencies, they don't communicate with each other as much as you'd think.
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Andre Dupont
I went through this same thing when I started my landscaping business. You need to register for FUTA separately through the IRS, it's not automatic when you register with Washington ESD. Form 940 is what you'll file annually.
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Zara Khan
•Did you have to pay back taxes when you figured this out or were you able to get it straightened out?
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Andre Dupont
•I caught it early enough that there weren't any penalties, but the IRS was pretty strict about getting everything filed properly going forward.
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Zoe Papadakis
•Form 940 is annual but you might need to make quarterly deposits depending on how much you owe.
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ThunderBolt7
Check if you qualify for the small employer exception. Some really small businesses might not be subject to FUTA even if they pay Washington state unemployment taxes.
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Zara Khan
•What's the threshold for that exception?
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ThunderBolt7
•I think it depends on your total payroll and number of employees, but I'm not 100% sure on the exact numbers.
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Jamal Edwards
I had similar confusion last year and ended up using that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier to get through to Washington ESD. They helped clarify some of the state requirements which made it easier to understand how FUTA fits in. Definitely worth it to avoid mistakes.
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Mei Chen
•How much does Claimyr cost? I'm trying to keep business expenses down.
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Jamal Edwards
•It's not expensive and honestly saved me way more time than it cost. Plus avoiding penalties makes it worth it.
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Liam O'Sullivan
Don't forget about SUI too - that's your State Unemployment Insurance rate with Washington ESD. That rate can change based on your experience rating once you've been in business a few years.
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Zara Khan
•What's an experience rating?
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Liam O'Sullivan
•It's based on how many of your former employees file unemployment claims. More claims = higher rate.
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Amara Okonkwo
•That seems unfair, what if you have to lay people off due to circumstances beyond your control?
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Giovanni Marino
The Washington ESD website has an employer handbook that explains the state side pretty well. For federal stuff you'll need to go to the IRS directly though.
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Zara Khan
•I've looked at both websites but they don't really explain how the two systems interact with each other.
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Fatima Al-Sayed
•Yeah that's the frustrating part, each agency only tells you about their part of the requirements.
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Dylan Hughes
My accountant handles all this for me now. After I messed up my first year of payroll taxes I decided it was worth paying someone who knows what they're doing.
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Zara Khan
•How much does that typically cost? I'm trying to do everything myself to save money.
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Dylan Hughes
•For a small business like yours probably $200-400 a month depending on complexity, but it's worth it for peace of mind.
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NightOwl42
•That's actually not as expensive as I thought it would be.
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Sofia Rodriguez
Make sure you're also registered for workers comp if you have employees in Washington. That's another requirement that's separate from unemployment taxes.
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Zara Khan
•Oh great, another thing to worry about. Is there a list somewhere of all the requirements for employers in Washington?
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Sofia Rodriguez
•The Washington State Department of Labor & Industries website has a good checklist for new employers.
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Dmitry Ivanov
I was skeptical about using Claimyr at first but it really helped when I needed to talk to Washington ESD about my employer account setup. Sometimes you just need to talk to a real person and their phone system makes that almost impossible otherwise.
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Ava Thompson
•The Washington ESD phone system is absolutely terrible. I've been hung up on so many times.
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Miguel Herrera
•Same here! It's like they don't want people to be able to reach them.
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Zainab Ali
One thing to keep in mind is that FUTA liability starts from your first dollar of wages, not from when you figure out you need to pay it. So if you've been in business a while you might owe back taxes.
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Zara Khan
•That's what I'm worried about. I've had employees for about 8 months now.
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Zainab Ali
•You should definitely get this resolved quickly then. The IRS has penalty and interest charges that add up fast.
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Connor Murphy
The credit you get for paying Washington state unemployment taxes is substantial though. Most employers end up paying very little in actual FUTA after the state credit is applied.
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Zara Khan
•So if I'm already paying Washington ESD unemployment taxes I shouldn't owe much to the federal government?
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Connor Murphy
•Right, as long as Washington state isn't considered a credit reduction state, which it usually isn't.
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Amara Oluwaseyi
This thread has been super helpful! I'm in a similar situation with my small marketing agency. Based on what everyone's saying, it sounds like I need to register for FUTA with the IRS separately even though I'm already set up with Washington ESD. The fact that the federal and state systems don't communicate with each other is really frustrating - seems like there should be a better way to handle this for small business owners who are just trying to do the right thing.
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