Washington ESD employer asking about the annual federal unemployment tax return - confused about forms
I'm a small business owner in Washington state and I'm trying to figure out what form I need to file for the annual federal unemployment tax return. My accountant moved and I'm handling this myself for the first time. I know I pay into Washington ESD for state unemployment, but I'm getting confused about the federal side. Is this the 940 form everyone talks about? I have 8 employees and want to make sure I'm filing the right paperwork. Any other Washington employers deal with this?
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AstroAdventurer
Yes, you're looking for Form 940 - that's the annual Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA) return. As a Washington employer, you'll file this federally while also handling your state unemployment taxes through Washington ESD separately. The 940 covers your federal unemployment tax obligations.
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Carmen Lopez
•Thanks! So I file the 940 with the IRS and then handle Washington ESD stuff separately through their system?
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AstroAdventurer
•Exactly right. Two different systems - federal 940 goes to IRS, Washington state unemployment taxes go through Washington ESD's employer portal.
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Andre Dupont
Don't forget you also need to file your quarterly 941s throughout the year if you haven't already. The 940 is just the annual summary for FUTA.
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Carmen Lopez
•Oh no, I've been doing those quarterly. Are those related to unemployment too?
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Andre Dupont
•No, 941s are for Social Security, Medicare, and income tax withholding. Different from unemployment taxes. You're good if you've been filing those.
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Zoe Papanikolaou
I had similar confusion when I started my business. If you're having trouble reaching anyone at the IRS about the 940, there's this service called Claimyr that helps people get through to government agencies. They have a website at claimyr.com and even a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Might be worth checking out if you get stuck.
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Carmen Lopez
•Interesting, I've never heard of that. Does it actually work for reaching the IRS?
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Zoe Papanikolaou
•I used it when I had Washington ESD issues last year and it worked great. I think they handle various government agencies, not just unemployment offices.
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Jamal Wilson
Form 940 is due January 31st each year, but you can get an extension until February 10th if you deposited all your FUTA tax when due. Make sure you're calculating the 6% rate correctly with any state unemployment tax credits.
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Carmen Lopez
•What do you mean by state unemployment tax credits? Does Washington ESD give me some kind of credit?
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Jamal Wilson
•Yes, if you pay your Washington state unemployment taxes on time, you get a credit that reduces your federal FUTA rate from 6% down to 0.6%. Big difference!
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Carmen Lopez
•Wow, that's a huge savings. Good thing I've been keeping up with my Washington ESD payments.
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Mei Lin
ugh why is employer tax stuff so confusing?? I spent hours trying to figure out all these different forms when I hired my first employee. 940, 941, Washington ESD quarterly reports... it's like they designed it to be as complicated as possible
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Liam Fitzgerald
•Tell me about it! And every state has different requirements too. At least Washington ESD has gotten better with their online system.
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Mei Lin
•true, the Washington ESD employer portal is way better than it used to be
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GalacticGuru
Make sure you're also filing your Washington state quarterly wage reports with Washington ESD. Those are separate from the federal 940 but equally important. Miss those and you'll hear about it quickly.
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Carmen Lopez
•I think I've been doing those... they're the ones where I report wages and pay the state unemployment tax, right?
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GalacticGuru
•Yep, exactly. Due by the end of the month following each quarter. If you're current on those, you should be getting the FUTA credit I mentioned earlier.
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Andre Dupont
Pro tip: if your total FUTA tax for the year is $500 or less, you can just pay it with your 940 return instead of making quarterly deposits. Helps with cash flow for smaller employers.
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Carmen Lopez
•That's good to know! With 8 employees I'm probably over that threshold but useful for the future.
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Andre Dupont
•Yeah, with 8 employees you're definitely over $500 annually. But at least you know for when you were smaller.
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Amara Nnamani
Don't forget to keep good records of everything. Both the IRS and Washington ESD can audit employer tax returns, and you'll want documentation for all your wage payments and tax deposits.
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Carmen Lopez
•How long should I keep these records?
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Amara Nnamani
•At least 4 years for federal stuff, but I keep employment records for 7 years just to be safe. Washington ESD has their own retention requirements too.
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Zoe Papanikolaou
Another thought - if you do need to call the IRS about Form 940 questions and can't get through, that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier really does work. I was skeptical at first but it saved me hours of trying to reach someone myself.
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Giovanni Mancini
•How does something like that even work? Do they just call for you?
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Zoe Papanikolaou
•From what I understand, they handle the calling process and help you get connected to an actual person instead of sitting on hold forever. Pretty straightforward.
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Jamal Wilson
One more thing - make sure your Employer Identification Number (EIN) matches between your federal 940 and your Washington ESD account. Sounds obvious but I've seen mismatches cause problems.
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Carmen Lopez
•Good point, I'll double-check that. Thanks for all the help everyone, this has been really useful!
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Fatima Al-Suwaidi
Just went through this exact same thing last month. The IRS has decent instructions for Form 940, but don't hesitate to call if you're unsure about anything. Better to ask than file incorrectly.
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Carmen Lopez
•Did you have any trouble getting through to them?
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Fatima Al-Suwaidi
•Actually yes, took me several tries. Wish I had known about that Claimyr thing back then!
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Dylan Cooper
For what it's worth, most payroll services handle both the federal 940 and Washington ESD reporting if you decide you don't want to do this yourself going forward. Might be worth the cost.
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Carmen Lopez
•I've been thinking about that. What's a reasonable cost for payroll services for a small business?
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Dylan Cooper
•Varies a lot, but for 8 employees you're probably looking at $100-300 per month depending on the service level you want.
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Carmen Lopez
•That might be worth it just for the peace of mind. I'll look into it after I get through this filing season.
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Sofia Morales
The FUTA credit situation can get tricky if Washington state ever becomes a credit reduction state due to outstanding federal loans. Hasn't happened recently but something to be aware of.
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Carmen Lopez
•What does that mean exactly?
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Sofia Morales
•If a state owes money to the federal unemployment trust fund, employers in that state lose some of their FUTA credit. Means higher federal unemployment taxes. Washington is fine right now though.
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StarSailor
Remember you can file Form 940 electronically through the IRS e-file system or paper file it. Electronic is usually faster for processing.
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Carmen Lopez
•Is the electronic filing free?
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StarSailor
•Yes, direct filing with the IRS is free. Some tax software charges but the IRS system itself doesn't.
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Dmitry Ivanov
This thread is super helpful! I'm in the same boat with a small business and was dreading tax season. Good to know I'm not the only one confused by all these forms.
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Carmen Lopez
•Right? It's reassuring to know other people struggle with this stuff too.
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AstroAdventurer
Just to summarize for anyone else reading this: Form 940 is your annual federal unemployment tax return, due January 31st. It works alongside but separately from your Washington ESD state unemployment tax obligations. Keep good records and don't hesitate to get help if you need it.
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Carmen Lopez
•Perfect summary, thank you! This thread has been incredibly helpful.
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Ava Garcia
•Agreed, lots of good info here. Bookmarking this for next year!
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Miguel Silva
One last tip - if you're ever unsure about Washington ESD requirements specifically, their employer handbook is actually pretty comprehensive. Much better than trying to call them during busy periods.
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Carmen Lopez
•Good to know! I'll check that out too.
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Zainab Ismail
Speaking of calling Washington ESD, I actually used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier when I had issues with my unemployment account last year. Worked exactly like they said - got connected to someone at Washington ESD without the usual runaround.
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Connor O'Neill
•That's good to hear from another person. Might be worth trying if I run into issues.
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Zainab Ismail
•Yeah, beats spending hours on hold only to get disconnected. Their demo video explained it pretty well too.
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QuantumQuester
Thanks everyone for all the information! This is exactly the kind of discussion that makes running a small business a little less overwhelming.
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Carmen Lopez
•Absolutely! Great community here.
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Yara Nassar
•These forum discussions are the best. Real people with real experience, not just corporate FAQ pages.
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