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How to win unemployment appeal hearing after Washington ESD disqualification

My Washington ESD claim got denied last month and I'm preparing for my appeal hearing. The examiner said I was fired for misconduct but that's not accurate - I was let go due to budget cuts and my manager even said it wasn't performance related. I've never been through this process before and I'm honestly terrified. What do I need to bring to the hearing to prove my case? Has anyone successfully overturned a misconduct disqualification? I really need these benefits while I'm job searching.

First thing - gather ALL your documentation. You'll need your termination letter, any emails about the layoff, performance reviews, and witness statements if possible. The burden is on you to prove it wasn't misconduct. Did your employer contest your claim or provide specific reasons to Washington ESD?

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Yes they contested it. They claimed I violated company policy but didn't provide specifics. I have my performance reviews which are all positive.

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Good, positive reviews will help your case significantly. Make sure to organize everything chronologically and prepare a brief statement explaining your version of events.

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been there, won my appeal last year. The key is being prepared and staying calm during the hearing. The administrative law judge will ask both you and your employer questions. Don't interrupt and be respectful even if your ex-employer lies.

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How long did your hearing take? I'm so nervous about speaking in front of a judge.

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Mine was about 45 minutes. The judge was actually pretty fair and asked good questions. Just stick to the facts and don't get emotional.

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I had to deal with getting through to Washington ESD for weeks about my appeal status. The phone system is impossible - I'd call hundreds of times and either get busy signals or get disconnected after waiting on hold for hours. Finally found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that actually got me through to a real person at Washington ESD. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Made such a difference being able to actually talk to someone about my case.

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How much does that cost? I've been trying to call for weeks about my hearing date.

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It's worth it compared to the stress of trying to get through on your own. I was able to get clarification on what documents I needed for my hearing.

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Never heard of that service but anything's better than the endless busy signals from Washington ESD.

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MISCONDUCT DISQUALIFICATIONS ARE HARD TO OVERTURN!! Washington ESD usually sides with employers unless you have rock solid proof. You need witness statements, documentation, EVERYTHING. And make sure you understand the difference between misconduct and poor performance - they're not the same thing legally.

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What exactly counts as misconduct vs poor performance? I thought being fired was being fired.

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Misconduct is willful violation of company rules or policies. Poor performance is just not meeting expectations. Big difference for unemployment eligibility.

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same thing happened to my sister last year but she won her appeal. The employer claimed she was late too many times but she had doctor notes for medical appointments. Make sure you have explanations for anything they might bring up against you

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That's encouraging! Did she have a lawyer or represent herself?

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she did it herself. couldn't afford a lawyer but the judge was understanding about her medical situation

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One more crucial point - make sure you've been filing your weekly claims even while your appeal is pending. If you win, you'll get back pay for those weeks, but only if you kept filing. A lot of people miss this step and lose out on benefits they're entitled to.

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Wait, I can file weekly claims even though I'm disqualified? I thought I had to wait until after the hearing.

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Yes, absolutely keep filing! Washington ESD requires this to maintain your claim. You won't get paid until you win the appeal, but you have to keep the claim active.

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This is such important info - I didn't know this when I went through my appeal and lost weeks of benefits because I stopped filing.

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I'm going through something similar but with a job abandonment issue. Washington ESD said I quit when I was actually on approved medical leave. These hearings are so stressful and the whole system feels stacked against us.

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That sounds even more frustrating than my situation. Do you have the medical leave paperwork?

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Yes, I have everything documented. My doctor, HR approval, the whole thing. Still got denied initially.

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Job abandonment cases are actually easier to win if you have proper documentation. Sounds like you have a strong case.

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The Washington ESD hearing officers are actually pretty fair in my experience. I've been to two hearings over the years and both times they really listened to both sides. Just be honest and don't exaggerate anything - they can spot BS from a mile away.

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That's reassuring. I keep reading horror stories online about people losing their appeals.

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The horror stories get posted more than the successes. Plenty of people win their appeals, they just don't post about it as much.

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Practice your testimony beforehand! I recorded myself explaining my situation and it helped me realize I was rambling too much. You want to be clear and concise about what happened and why the employer's claims are wrong.

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That's a great idea. I tend to get nervous and talk too much when I'm stressed.

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Exactly why I suggest practicing. You want to hit your main points without going off on tangents.

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Make sure you understand the timeline requirements too. If you miss any deadlines for submitting evidence or responding to requests, you could lose your appeal even if you have a good case. Washington ESD is strict about deadlines.

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How far in advance do I need to submit my evidence? I keep getting different information.

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Usually 5 business days before the hearing, but check your hearing notice for the exact deadline. Don't wait until the last minute.

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won my appeal but it took FOREVER to actually get my benefits after the decision. like 3 weeks after the favorable ruling before I saw any money. just warning you that even winning doesn't mean immediate payment

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Did you get all the back pay from when you were waiting for the appeal?

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yeah eventually got everything but the waiting was brutal when you're already struggling financially

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I mentioned Claimyr earlier but wanted to add that I used them again recently to check on my appeal decision status. Much easier than trying to navigate the Washington ESD phone system when you need quick answers about your case.

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How does that service work exactly? Do they just call for you?

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They help you get through to actual Washington ESD staff. The video demo explains it better than I can - saved me hours of frustration.

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Don't forget about the job search requirements while your appeal is pending. Even though you're not getting paid, you still need to be looking for work and documenting it. Washington ESD will ask about this if you win your appeal.

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I've been job searching but not really documenting it properly. What do I need to keep track of?

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Company name, position applied for, date, method of application. Keep it simple but thorough. Use the WorkSourceWA system if possible.

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The employer has to prove misconduct, not just claim it happened. If they can't provide specific dates, policies violated, or prior warnings, their case is weak. Focus on poking holes in their story during the hearing.

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So I can ask them questions during the hearing?

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The judge will ask most questions, but you can request to ask clarifying questions. Don't be aggressive, just factual.

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if you lose the appeal you can still appeal to the board of appeals but that takes even longer. hoping you don't need to go that route but just so you know there's another level if needed

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How long does the board appeal take? This is already taking forever.

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several months usually. that's why it's so important to win at the first appeal level if possible

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Bring a notepad to the hearing and take notes while the employer is speaking. Sometimes they'll contradict themselves or say something that doesn't match their written statement. Those contradictions can help your case.

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Good thinking. I'm definitely going to be prepared to take notes.

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Also write down any questions you want to ask beforehand so you don't forget them if you get nervous.

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The whole unemployment system is so frustrating. You pay into it for years and then when you need it they make you jump through hoops to prove you deserve it. Good luck with your hearing - sounds like you have a solid case with the budget cuts explanation.

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Thanks for the encouragement. It really does feel like fighting an uphill battle sometimes.

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That's exactly how I felt during my appeal process. The system assumes you're guilty until proven innocent.

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One last tip - dress professionally for the hearing even if it's by phone. It affects how you feel and speak. And test your phone connection beforehand if it's a phone hearing. Technical issues can hurt your case if you can't be heard clearly.

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Mine is scheduled as a phone hearing. I'll definitely test everything ahead of time.

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Good plan. Have a backup phone number ready too just in case. The last thing you want is to miss your hearing due to technical problems.

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Update us after your hearing! I'm dealing with a similar situation and would love to hear how it goes. There's not enough information out there about what these hearings are actually like.

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I definitely will. Thanks everyone for all the advice - feeling much more prepared now.

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Yes please update! This thread has been super helpful for understanding the appeal process.

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Used Claimyr myself when I needed to speak with Washington ESD about my hearing date getting rescheduled. Their service at claimyr.com really does work - got connected within minutes instead of spending days trying to get through. Worth checking out if you need to talk to someone at ESD about your case.

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I might need to use that if I have questions before my hearing date.

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The peace of mind of actually being able to reach someone at Washington ESD is huge when you're dealing with an appeal.

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