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Rajan Walker

How does paying unemployment affect the employer in Washington ESD system?

I'm curious about something - when someone gets approved for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD, how exactly does that impact their former employer? Do employers pay directly into the system or is it more complicated than that? My last company laid off about 15 people including me and I'm wondering if our unemployment claims are going to cost them somehow. I know they pay some kind of unemployment tax but not sure how it all connects when claims get approved.

Employers in Washington pay unemployment insurance taxes to fund the system. It's based on their payroll and their experience rating - basically how many former employees have filed successful claims against them.

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So if more people from my company file claims, their tax rate could go up next year?

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Exactly. Companies with higher claim rates pay higher UI tax rates. It's designed to encourage employers to avoid layoffs when possible.

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yeah my old boss told me that every time someone files unemployment it raises their costs somehow. made me feel guilty about filing but hey, i paid into the system too through my paychecks

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Ev Luca

Don't feel guilty! You earned those benefits by working and paying taxes. That's literally what unemployment insurance is for.

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That's what I figured too. We all contributed to this system while we were working.

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The Washington ESD system works on an experience rating basis. Each employer gets assigned a tax rate based on their history of layoffs and unemployment claims. New employers start at a standard rate, then it adjusts up or down based on claims filed against them over time.

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How long does it take for their rate to change? Is it immediate or does Washington ESD review it annually?

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Washington ESD reviews employer tax rates annually. So claims filed this year would affect their rate for next year's payroll taxes.

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This is why some employers fight unemployment claims even when the layoff was legitimate. Higher rates mean more costs for them.

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Actually had trouble getting through to Washington ESD to ask about this exact thing for my small business. Spent hours on hold trying to understand how the rating system works. Finally used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get connected to an actual agent who explained the whole experience rating calculation. There's even a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how their callback system works. Way better than sitting on hold forever.

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Never heard of that service. Does it actually work for getting through to Washington ESD?

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Yeah, they handle the calling and waiting for you, then connect you when an agent picks up. Saved me probably 3-4 hours of hold time.

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EMPLOYERS HATE UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS!! my former company actually called me and asked if I really needed to file because it would hurt their rating. Like seriously?? They laid ME off!

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That's inappropriate of them to ask. You have every right to file for benefits you've earned through your work history.

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Ev Luca

Some employers definitely get aggressive about this stuff. Stand your ground - you earned those benefits.

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wait so does this mean if i file for unemployment my old company has to pay for it directly?

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Not directly. They pay unemployment taxes to Washington ESD based on their payroll. Washington ESD then pays your benefits from that fund.

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ok that makes more sense. so its not like they write a check for my specific claim

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This is really helpful info. I was worried about filing because I liked my manager and didn't want to hurt the company financially. But sounds like this is just how the system works.

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That's very considerate of you, but remember - unemployment insurance exists for exactly this situation. You shouldn't feel bad about using it.

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Plus if they had to lay people off, they probably already factored in the potential UI tax increases into their planning.

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Ev Luca

The experience rating system is actually pretty fair when you think about it. Companies that rarely lay people off get lower rates, while companies that constantly cycle through employees pay more.

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Makes sense as an incentive system. Rewards companies that try to keep their workforce stable.

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i think there are also different categories of employers? like some pay different rates based on their industry or something

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Yes, Washington ESD uses industry classifications as part of the rate calculation. Construction companies typically pay higher rates than office-based businesses, for example.

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ah ok that makes sense since some industries have more seasonal layoffs

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One thing to keep in mind - employers can contest unemployment claims if they think the person wasn't eligible. Like if someone quit without good cause or was fired for misconduct.

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In my case it was clearly a layoff due to budget cuts, so hopefully they won't contest it.

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Layoffs are usually pretty straightforward. It's the quit/firing situations that get messy.

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My friend's company actually had their UI tax rate go from like 1.2% to 3.8% after they had a bunch of layoffs during covid. Cost them thousands extra per year.

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That's a significant jump, but during COVID there were special provisions that were supposed to prevent pandemic-related layoffs from affecting experience ratings as much.

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Yeah I think they got some relief but not complete protection from the rate increases.

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Do employers get notified when their former employees file for unemployment?

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Yes, Washington ESD sends employers a notice when a claim is filed against their account. They have a chance to provide information about the separation.

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Got it. So they know about it but can't stop legitimate claims.

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For anyone trying to get detailed info about employer UI taxes, I'd seriously recommend that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier. The Washington ESD phone system is brutal for getting through to someone who can explain the complex stuff.

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How much does something like that cost though?

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Worth checking out their site - focus should be on the time savings rather than cost. When you need answers from Washington ESD, it's invaluable.

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this whole thread has been super educational. never really understood how the employer side worked before

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Same here! Makes me feel better about filing my claim knowing it's not directly coming out of my old company's pocket.

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Just to add - the UI tax rates in Washington can range from like 0.3% to over 6% depending on the employer's experience rating. It's a pretty wide range.

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Ev Luca

Wow, 6% is a lot. That would definitely make employers think twice about layoffs.

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That's for employers with really high claim rates. Most stable companies pay much lower rates.

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The system also has some protections for employers dealing with situations beyond their control, like natural disasters or major economic downturns.

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That seems fair. Companies shouldn't be penalized for things completely out of their control.

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worked in HR for years and dealt with this stuff constantly. employers definitely track their UI costs closely and some will do everything possible to avoid layoffs partly because of the tax implications

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Which is exactly how the system is designed to work - creating financial incentives for employment stability.

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exactly. though sometimes layoffs are unavoidable and the UI system is there as a safety net for workers

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Thanks for all this info everyone. Definitely helps me understand the bigger picture of how unemployment benefits work in Washington.

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Agreed! This has been really informative. Makes the whole system make more sense.

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One last thing - if you're ever dealing with Washington ESD as an employer or employee and need to get through their phone system, that Claimyr service someone mentioned really does work. Used it myself when I had questions about a contested claim.

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Good to know there are options for actually reaching someone at Washington ESD when needed.

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Yeah the regular phone system is pretty much impossible during busy periods. Having a service handle the waiting makes a huge difference.

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Ev Luca

Bottom line - don't feel guilty about filing for unemployment if you're eligible. It's an insurance system that both you and your employer paid into.

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That's exactly what I needed to hear. Filing my claim tomorrow. Thanks everyone!

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