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Saanvi Krishnaswami

Washington ESD unemployment benefits - where does the money actually come from?

I just got approved for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD and I'm curious about something - where does this money actually come from? Is it from taxes I paid? My employer? The government? I've been working for 8 years and paying into various things through payroll deductions but never really understood how the unemployment system works financially. Does Washington ESD have some kind of fund they draw from?

It comes from unemployment insurance taxes that employers pay on behalf of their employees. You don't directly pay into it from your paycheck - it's a cost to the employer based on their payroll. Washington ESD administers the fund but employers are essentially funding it through their UI tax contributions.

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Oh interesting, so it's not coming out of my paychecks directly? That makes sense why I never saw a specific line item for it.

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Yeah exactly. Your employer pays quarterly UI taxes to Washington ESD based on their total payroll and their experience rating.

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The employer pays but the amount they pay can vary based on how many former employees file claims. Companies with higher turnover or more layoffs pay higher rates. It's called an experience rating system.

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That's why some employers fight unemployment claims so hard - it affects their tax rate for future years.

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makes sense from a business perspective but sucks when you legitimately need benefits

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Washington ESD maintains the unemployment insurance trust fund using employer contributions. The fund is managed at the state level but follows federal guidelines. During recessions or high unemployment periods, states can borrow from federal funds if their trust fund runs low.

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So during COVID when so many people were on unemployment, did Washington have to borrow money?

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Yes, many states including Washington had to take federal loans to maintain benefit payments during the pandemic. The system wasn't designed for that level of simultaneous claims.

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Interesting, I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks about my claim status. How does that service work exactly?

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The funding structure is actually more complex than just employer taxes. There are different tax rates for different types of employers, plus additional assessments when the trust fund gets low. New employers pay a standard rate until they build up an experience rating.

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Good point about new employers. They don't have claims history so they start at the standard rate.

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what happens if a company goes out of business? do they still owe UI taxes?

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If they have outstanding UI tax debt, Washington ESD can pursue collection even after business closure, though recovery can be difficult.

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honestly never thought about where the money comes from just glad its there when i need it. been unemployed for 6 weeks and these benefits are keeping me afloat while job searching

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Same here, I'm just grateful the system exists. Hope you find something soon!

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thanks! the job search requirements are keeping me busy at least

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There's also a federal unemployment tax (FUTA) that employers pay, but that's separate from the state system. FUTA funds the administrative costs and provides loans to states when needed. Most of your actual benefit money comes from the state UI tax though.

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Correct. FUTA is 6% on the first $7,000 of wages, but employers get credits for paying state UI taxes, so most pay only 0.6% effective rate.

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This is way more complicated than I thought. Glad I don't have to manage payroll taxes!

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my cousin works in HR and she says the ui tax calculations are a nightmare. they have to track each employees wages, figure out the taxable wage base, apply the right tax rate... then hope they dont get audited by washington esd

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Yeah, payroll compliance is complex. That's why most small businesses use payroll services to handle it.

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Washington ESD does conduct audits to ensure employers are paying correct UI taxes and properly classifying workers.

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I used to work for a staffing agency and our UI tax rate was really high because of all the temporary placements ending. The company was always complaining about it affecting their bottom line.

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Industries with high turnover like staffing, construction, and hospitality typically have higher UI tax rates due to their experience ratings.

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makes sense but those are also the industries where workers most need unemployment benefits

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The trust fund balance fluctuates based on economic conditions. During good times with low unemployment, the fund builds up. During recessions, it gets depleted quickly. Washington ESD has to balance adequate reserves with not over-taxing employers.

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That's the challenge - you need enough money set aside for bad times but you can't predict exactly when or how severe they'll be.

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Like a rainy day fund but for the entire state's unemployed population. That's a lot of responsibility.

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I tried calling Washington ESD to understand how my previous employer's layoffs might affect their tax rate and couldn't get through for days. Finally used Claimyr to get connected to an agent who explained how the experience rating system works. Really helped me understand why some employers contest claims.

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Claimyr worked well for me too. Worth it when you actually need to talk to someone at Washington ESD.

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Never heard of that service before but might try it. I've been trying to reach them about my employer's protest of my claim.

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Fun fact: the unemployment insurance system was created during the Great Depression as part of the Social Security Act of 1935. It's been helping people through economic hardships for almost 90 years now.

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Wow, I had no idea it was that old. Amazing that it's still working after all these decades.

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The basic structure has remained the same but benefits and eligibility rules have evolved significantly over time.

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does anyone know what happens to leftover money in the trust fund? like if there's a surplus do they lower tax rates or increase benefits?

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Generally, when the trust fund is healthy, UI tax rates can be lowered. Washington ESD adjusts rates annually based on the fund's balance and projected needs.

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There are also statutory requirements about maintaining certain reserve levels before rates can be reduced.

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The whole system is basically insurance - employers pay premiums (UI taxes) and employees receive benefits when they become unemployed. Like any insurance, it works because not everyone needs it at the same time under normal circumstances.

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That's a great way to think about it. Makes the funding structure much clearer.

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Exactly. The risk is pooled across all employers and employees in the state.

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my employer told me they dont mind paying ui taxes because it helps them during layoffs. employees are more likely to accept temporary layoffs if they know they can get benefits. helps with workforce planning

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That's smart workforce management. Temporary layoffs are better than permanent ones for both sides.

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yeah my old job did seasonal layoffs and everyone was fine with it because we knew we'd get benefits and be rehired

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I was having issues with Washington ESD not recognizing wages from a previous employer and kept getting busy signals when calling. Used Claimyr to finally get through to someone who could look up my wage records and fix the issue. Sometimes you just need to actually talk to a human to resolve these things.

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Same experience here. The online system can only do so much - complex issues need human intervention.

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Good to know there are options when you can't get through normally. The phone system can be really frustrating.

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Washington state also has extended benefit programs that kick in during high unemployment periods. These are jointly funded by state and federal money, separate from the regular UI trust fund.

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Yes, extended benefits activate automatically when unemployment rates reach certain thresholds. The funding formula is different from regular benefits.

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Those extended programs were really important during the 2008 recession and again during COVID.

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So basically every time I've been employed, my employer has been paying into this fund on my behalf, and now when I need it, the money is there. It's like a forced savings account managed by Washington ESD.

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That's a good way to look at it! Though you can't control when you 'withdraw' from it like a normal savings account.

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Right, and you can only access it under specific circumstances - you can't just decide to quit and collect benefits.

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the whole funding system makes more sense now. thanks everyone for explaining it. i feel better about collecting benefits knowing its not coming from some general tax fund but from a specific insurance system that employers pay into

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Exactly! It's not welfare or charity - it's insurance that was paid for. You earned the right to those benefits through your work history.

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That's the important distinction. Unemployment insurance is an earned benefit, not a handout.

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Correct. Your benefit amount is calculated based on your wage history, proving it's tied to your work contributions to the system.

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