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Scarlett Forster

How is unemployment paid for in Washington state - confused about funding sources

I just started receiving Washington ESD unemployment benefits and I'm curious about how this whole system is actually funded. Like, where does the money come from that they're paying me? Is it taxpayer money or something else? My friend said employers pay into it but I'm not sure if that's right. I've never really thought about it before but now that I'm depending on these benefits I want to understand how the funding works. Anyone know the details?

Good question! Washington's unemployment insurance system is primarily funded through employer payroll taxes, not general taxpayer funds. Employers pay both state and federal unemployment taxes based on their payroll and their experience rating (how many former employees have filed claims). There's also a small employee contribution in Washington state.

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Wait, so I'm actually paying into this system too? I never noticed that on my paystubs.

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Yes, Washington is one of the few states where employees contribute. It's a small percentage though - 0.58% of your wages up to the wage cap.

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basically your old employer is paying for your benefits through the taxes they pay to washington esd. thats why some employers fight unemployment claims so hard - it affects their tax rate

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That's partially correct but oversimplified. The system is pooled - it's not like your specific employer is writing you a check. All employers pay into the system and benefits come from that collective fund.

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yeah ok but if you file a claim it still affects that employers rating right?

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Yes, that's true. Claims against an employer do impact their experience rating and future tax rates.

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Interesting, never heard of that. Does it cost anything to use?

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Yeah there's a fee but honestly it was worth it to actually talk to someone and get my questions answered instead of wasting entire days trying to call.

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To expand on the funding structure: Washington's unemployment trust fund receives money from three main sources: 1) State unemployment taxes paid by employers 2) Federal unemployment taxes (FUTA) paid by employers 3) Employee contributions (unique to WA and a few other states). The trust fund balance fluctuates based on economic conditions - it builds up during good times and gets depleted during recessions.

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What happens if the trust fund runs out of money? Do benefits just stop?

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If the state trust fund is depleted, the state can borrow from the federal government to continue paying benefits. This happened during the 2008 recession and again during COVID.

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And then taxpayers end up footing the bill for those federal loans eventually right?

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The employer tax rates in Washington vary significantly based on industry and the employer's claim history. New employers start at a standard rate, but established employers can have rates ranging from less than 1% to over 5% of their payroll depending on how many unemployment claims have been filed against them.

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So companies that lay people off a lot end up paying higher rates? That seems fair.

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Exactly. It's called experience rating and it's designed to make employers think twice about unnecessary layoffs since it directly impacts their costs.

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this is why some employers will fight your claim even when you clearly qualify... they don't want their rates going up. had a boss once who tried to claim i quit when i was obviously laid off

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That's terrible! Were you able to fight that and get your benefits?

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yeah eventually but it took forever and went to a hearing. washington esd sided with me in the end

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It's worth noting that during the pandemic, the federal government provided additional funding for extended benefits and special programs like PUA and PEUC. But those have ended and we're back to the regular state-funded system for standard unemployment benefits.

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man those extra benefits during covid were a lifesaver. regular ui is so much less

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The federal supplements were temporary by design. Regular UI is meant to partially replace wages, not fully replace them.

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I'm confused about something - if employers are paying for this, why do I have to do job searches? Shouldn't they want me to stay on benefits longer so other companies have to hire me?

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The job search requirement exists because unemployment insurance is meant to be temporary support while you find new work, not permanent income replacement. The system works best when people get back to work quickly.

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Ok that makes sense. I was just thinking about it from the wrong angle.

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I might have to try that. Been trying to call about my pending adjudication for weeks with no luck.

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Yeah that's exactly the kind of situation where it's helpful. Way better than hitting redial 100 times a day.

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THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS A MESS!! I paid into unemployment for 15 years and when I finally need it they make me jump through hoops and wait weeks for approval. Meanwhile my old company is probably getting tax breaks somewhere else.

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I understand the frustration, but the adjudication process exists to verify eligibility and prevent fraud. It protects the system for everyone.

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maybe but it shouldn't take a month to verify basic information they already have

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so basically we're all paying into this system one way or another - employers through taxes, employees through that small deduction, and taxpayers when the fund needs federal loans. its like insurance that everyone contributes to

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That's a good way to think about it. It's social insurance - we all contribute when we can so benefits are there when people need them.

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Makes me feel better about collecting benefits knowing I've been paying into it too.

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One thing to keep in mind is that Washington's unemployment trust fund is generally considered well-managed compared to other states. The state maintained solvency better than most during economic downturns, partly due to having both employer AND employee contributions.

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So Washington is actually one of the better states for unemployment benefits?

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In terms of fund stability and benefit levels, yes. Washington typically ranks in the top tier nationally for unemployment insurance.

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wait so if i work for a small company that never had anyone file unemployment before, they'd pay less in taxes than a big company that lays people off regularly?

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Generally yes, assuming similar payroll amounts. The experience rating system rewards employers with stable workforces.

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thats actually pretty smart policy when you think about it

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My sister works in HR and she says unemployment costs are a real consideration when companies make staffing decisions. Not the only factor but definitely something they track.

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makes sense why some companies try so hard to prove misconduct instead of just admitting they laid someone off

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Right, because misconduct disqualifications don't count against their experience rating.

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Thanks everyone for explaining this! I had no idea it was so complex. I thought it was just government money but now I understand it's really more like an insurance system that we all pay into.

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Exactly! And like any insurance, it works best when everyone participates and the system is used appropriately.

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glad you asked the question - i learned some stuff too

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One more thing - if you ever need to discuss specifics about your benefits or tax situation with Washington ESD, don't forget about services like Claimyr that can help you actually get through to speak with someone. Sometimes that direct conversation is the only way to get complex questions answered.

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Yeah I ended up using them last month when I couldn't get through about my overpayment notice. Actually got to talk to someone the same day.

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That's exactly what I'm talking about. Some situations really need that human interaction to resolve properly.

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just want to add that understanding how its funded helped me feel less guilty about collecting benefits. knowing that i contributed through my paychecks and my employers paid in too makes it feel more legitimate somehow

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Same here! I was feeling bad about 'taking government money' but now I realize it's money I helped put into the system.

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That's the right perspective. You earned these benefits through your work history and contributions.

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For anyone interested in the nitty-gritty details, Washington ESD publishes an annual report on the unemployment trust fund that shows exactly how much comes from each funding source and where the money goes. It's surprisingly transparent if you want to dig deeper.

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Where would I find that report?

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It's on the Washington ESD website under their publications section. Search for 'annual trust fund report' or similar.

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bottom line - its not welfare or charity. you paid for it, your employers paid for it, and you earned the right to collect it when you lost your job through no fault of your own. end of story.

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Well put! That really sums it up perfectly.

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exactly. its earned benefits not a handout

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This whole thread has been super educational. Never really thought about the mechanics behind unemployment funding before but it makes total sense now. Thanks for asking the question OP!

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You're welcome! I'm glad other people found it helpful too. Sometimes the obvious questions are the ones worth asking.

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