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Jamal Carter

Where does Washington ESD unemployment funding actually come from - confused about the system

I've been on unemployment for 2 months now and I keep wondering - where does this money actually come from? Is it coming out of taxpayer funds? My employer's contributions? I tried looking it up but the Washington ESD website just has generic info about the trust fund. Does anyone know how this system actually works? I feel guilty collecting benefits but my friend says I shouldn't because I 'paid into it' but I'm not sure what that means exactly.

Unemployment benefits in Washington come from the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which is funded by employer payroll taxes. You as an employee don't directly pay into it - your employer pays quarterly taxes based on their payroll and experience rating. It's not taxpayer money in the traditional sense.

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So my current employer has been paying into this fund for me? What happens if they go out of business?

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All your previous employers paid into it too. If a business closes, the fund still covers you because it's pooled from all employers statewide.

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Mei Liu

Don't feel guilty about collecting! Your employer has been paying unemployment taxes specifically for this purpose. It's insurance - like car insurance that you hope you never need but it's there when you do.

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exactly this!! I felt the same way when I first filed but then realized employers budget for these taxes anyway

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The Washington State Employment Security Department administers the fund but the money comes from employer contributions. There's also a small federal tax component for administrative costs. When I was struggling to get through to Washington ESD about my claim status, I used Claimyr.com - they have a service that helps you actually reach an agent by phone. There's a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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Thanks for the Claimyr info! I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks about my weekly claim certification.

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How much does that service cost? Seems like we shouldn't have to pay extra just to reach our own state agency.

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I get the frustration but honestly it saved me hours of calling. The website has all the details - I just needed to get my adjudication issue resolved.

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The employer tax rate varies based on how many former employees file claims. Companies with high turnover pay higher rates - it's called an 'experience rating.' So businesses have incentive to retain workers.

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That's interesting, I didn't know employers paid different rates. Does that mean some employers try to fight legitimate claims?

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Unfortunately yes, some do contest claims to keep their rates low. That's why the adjudication process exists - to verify eligibility.

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wait so if I got fired for cause does that affect how much my employer pays?

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If you're disqualified for misconduct, it doesn't count against their experience rating. But if you successfully appeal and get benefits, then it would.

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oh that makes sense why my old boss was so adamant about the 'misconduct' thing during my termination

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This whole system seems unnecessarily complicated. Why can't they just explain this clearly on the Washington ESD website instead of making us guess?

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Mei Liu

The information is there but it's buried in policy manuals. Most people just want to know if they qualify and how much they'll get.

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Yeah exactly! I just wanted to understand where my $487 weekly benefit was coming from.

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I think there's also federal money involved during recessions or special circumstances. Like during COVID there were federal programs, but regular state UI is all employer-funded.

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Correct - programs like PUA and PEUC were federally funded, but those ended. Regular unemployment insurance is state-administered, employer-funded.

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Good distinction. I was confused because I got federal pandemic benefits before.

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Does anyone know what happens if the trust fund runs out of money? Like if unemployment gets really high?

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States can borrow from the federal government if their trust funds are depleted. Several states had to do this during the Great Recession.

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And then what, they raise employer taxes to pay it back?

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Exactly. Both employer taxes and benefit levels can be adjusted to restore fund solvency.

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Mei Liu

The key thing to remember is that this is insurance you're entitled to if you meet the eligibility requirements. You don't need to feel guilty about using it - that's what it's designed for.

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Thanks, that really helps put it in perspective. I've been stressing about this for weeks.

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If you need to speak with Washington ESD about your specific situation, definitely check out that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier. They helped me get through when I couldn't reach anyone through normal channels. Much less stressful than hitting redial for hours.

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I just watched that demo video - seems legit. Might try it if my pending adjudication doesn't resolve soon.

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Same here, I bookmarked it. The regular Washington ESD phone line is impossible.

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one more question - do part time workers pay into this too? or just full time?

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Employers pay unemployment taxes on all wages up to the taxable wage base, regardless of whether employees are part-time or full-time.

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ok cool so even my old part time retail job was contributing to this fund

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This thread has been super helpful! I had no idea how the funding worked. Makes me feel better about collecting benefits while I job search.

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Mei Liu

Glad it helped! That's exactly what the system is for - temporary support while you find new employment.

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Still think the Washington ESD could do a better job explaining this upfront instead of making people dig for answers.

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Agreed. A simple FAQ about funding sources would save a lot of confusion.

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Maybe they assume people don't care about the details as long as they get their money?

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What about self-employed people? Do they pay into unemployment?

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Generally no, self-employed individuals don't pay into or qualify for regular unemployment insurance. There are some exceptions and special programs though.

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That explains why my freelancer friends couldn't get regular UI benefits.

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Thanks for all the info everyone. I feel much more informed about how this system works now. No more guilt about collecting benefits!

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Same here! This has been really educational.

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Final plug for anyone still struggling to reach Washington ESD - that Claimyr service really does work. I was skeptical at first but it beats spending entire days on hold. Check out claimyr.com if you need to speak with an actual person about your claim.

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Bookmarked! My claim has been in adjudication for 5 weeks now and I can't get through to anyone.

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That's exactly the situation I was in. Hope it helps you get answers faster than I did.

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Great thread! I learned something new today about employer experience ratings and trust fund mechanics.

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Mei Liu

It's always good to understand how these systems work, especially when you're depending on them.

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Thanks everyone for taking the time to explain this. I feel so much better about my situation now and understand that I'm using a system that was specifically designed for circumstances like mine.

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That's exactly right. Hope your job search goes well!

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Mei Liu

Best of luck with everything! You've got this.

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