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Who pays unemployment benefits - Washington ESD employer taxes confusion

I'm trying to understand how unemployment benefits actually work in Washington state. Does my former employer directly pay my weekly unemployment benefits, or does Washington ESD pay them? My ex-boss made some comment about how I'm 'costing him money' by filing for unemployment and now I'm worried this might affect my claim somehow. I thought unemployment was insurance that employers pay into, not something they pay directly to laid off workers. Can someone explain how this actually works?

Your employer doesn't pay your benefits directly. Washington ESD pays your weekly unemployment benefits from the unemployment insurance fund. Employers pay quarterly taxes into this fund based on their payroll and experience rating. Your boss is being dramatic - your individual claim doesn't come straight out of his pocket.

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That's such a relief! He was making me feel guilty about filing. So he can't somehow block my benefits or anything like that?

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No, he can't block your benefits just because he's upset. He can contest your claim if he thinks you were fired for misconduct or quit voluntarily, but that's a separate process through Washington ESD adjudication.

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employers do pay unemployment taxes but its not like they write you a check every week lol. its more like car insurance - they pay premiums and if something happens the insurance company pays the claim. washington esd is basically the insurance company here

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That's a great way to explain it! So it's like any other insurance where you pay into it over time.

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Here's how it actually works in Washington: Employers pay unemployment insurance taxes quarterly to Washington ESD. The tax rate depends on the employer's 'experience rating' - basically how many former employees have filed successful unemployment claims. More claims = higher tax rate for that employer. But your weekly benefits come from the state unemployment insurance fund, not directly from your employer's bank account.

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So if I file for unemployment, it could make my employer's taxes go up in the future?

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Yes, potentially. That's why some employers try to discourage unemployment claims or contest them. But don't let that stop you from filing if you're eligible - it's your right as a worker.

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This is exactly why my old boss was so mad when our whole department got laid off. He kept talking about how it would hurt his 'rating' with the state.

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I had a similar situation where my employer was being weird about me filing for unemployment. I couldn't get through to Washington ESD to ask questions about whether he could interfere with my claim. Finally found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helped me get connected to an actual Washington ESD agent on the phone. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. The agent confirmed that my employer couldn't prevent me from getting benefits as long as I was eligible.

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How does that service work? I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks but can never get through.

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It basically calls Washington ESD for you and gets you connected to an agent. Way better than sitting on hold for hours or getting hung up on.

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I've heard of services like that but wasn't sure if they were legit. Good to know it actually worked for someone.

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Your boss sounds like a jerk. Even if unemployment claims do affect his tax rate eventually, that's literally the cost of doing business. You paid into that system through your work too - it's not charity.

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Right? I worked there for three years and never took any sick days or anything. I shouldn't feel bad about using unemployment when I got laid off.

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Exactly. Unemployment insurance exists specifically for situations like yours. Don't let your former employer guilt you out of benefits you've earned.

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The experience rating system is actually pretty complicated. Employers get different tax rates (anywhere from 0.16% to 6.02% in Washington) based on their history of layoffs and unemployment claims. New businesses start at a standard rate until they build up enough history. So yes, your claim could eventually affect your employer's costs, but that's how the system is designed to work.

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Wow I had no idea the tax rates varied that much. No wonder some employers get so worked up about it.

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Yeah, companies that do a lot of seasonal layoffs or have high turnover end up paying much higher rates. It's supposed to incentivize stable employment.

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Wait, so if I quit my job can my employer still get charged for my unemployment? I thought you had to be laid off to get benefits.

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You generally can't get unemployment if you quit voluntarily, unless you quit for 'good cause' like unsafe working conditions or harassment. If you quit without good cause, your employer wouldn't be affected since you wouldn't qualify for benefits.

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Got it, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining!

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I used to work in HR and dealt with unemployment claims all the time. The employer gets notified when someone files a claim and can contest it if they think the person wasn't eligible. But most legitimate layoffs aren't contested. It's usually only when there's a question about whether someone was fired for misconduct or quit voluntarily.

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Since I was laid off due to budget cuts, my employer probably won't contest it then?

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Probably not, especially if other people were laid off at the same time. Budget cuts are pretty clearly not the employee's fault.

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My company laid off 20 people last month and didn't contest any of the unemployment claims. They knew it was a legitimate layoff.

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THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS RIGGED ANYWAY! Employers pay pennies in taxes compared to what they save by laying people off instead of giving raises or benefits. Then they complain when their 'experience rating' goes up. Maybe don't lay people off if you don't want to pay unemployment taxes!

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I mean... you're not wrong. The tax rates are pretty low compared to other business expenses.

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The system isn't perfect but it does provide a safety net for workers. Better than having no unemployment insurance at all.

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Just want to add that your employer also can't retaliate against you for filing unemployment if you're still working part-time or something. That's illegal in Washington state.

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Good to know! I'm not working there anymore but that's useful information.

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been trying to get more info about how employer taxes work because I'm thinking of starting my own business. anyone know what the starting tax rate is for new employers in washington?

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New employers start at 2.7% for the first few years until they build up enough payroll history for Washington ESD to calculate an experience rating.

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thanks! that's helpful for planning purposes

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My friend's boss told her she couldn't file for unemployment because the company was 'going through a rough patch' financially. That's complete BS right?

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Complete BS. An employer's financial situation doesn't prevent eligible workers from filing for unemployment. If she was laid off, she should definitely file.

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That's what I told her! Her boss was just trying to scare her out of filing.

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Does anyone know if employers can see how much you're getting in weekly benefits? My old boss keeps asking nosy questions about my unemployment.

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Employers can see that you filed a claim and the dates you're claiming benefits for, but they don't get details about your weekly benefit amount. Tell your old boss to mind their own business.

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Good! It's none of his business anyway. Thanks!

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I remember when I first got laid off I was so confused about all this stuff. Wish someone had explained it this clearly back then. The Washington ESD website isn't very clear about how the funding works.

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Right? I've been working for years but never really understood how unemployment insurance actually worked until now.

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yeah the esd website is pretty confusing about a lot of things tbh

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Another thing to remember is that you as an employee also contribute to unemployment insurance through your wages, even though it's not a separate line item on your paystub. It's built into the overall tax structure. So you've been paying into this system too.

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Wait, really? I thought only employers paid unemployment taxes.

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In Washington, employees don't pay a separate unemployment tax, but in some states they do. Either way, your labor contributes to the economic activity that funds the system.

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If you're still having trouble getting information from Washington ESD directly, that Claimyr service mentioned earlier is worth checking out. I used it last month when I needed to talk to someone about my claim status and it saved me hours of trying to call.

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I might try that if I run into any issues with my claim. Better than spending all day redialing Washington ESD.

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Same here, I couldn't believe how fast they got me connected to an actual person at Washington ESD.

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Bottom line: file your claim if you're eligible, don't let your employer guilt trip you, and remember that you've earned this benefit through your work. The system exists for exactly this situation.

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Thank you everyone for all the explanations! I feel much better about filing now and won't let my ex-boss make me feel guilty about it.

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That's the right attitude! Good luck with your claim.

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