ESD denied my claim saying 'misconduct' but I was fired for complaining about abuse - need appeal help
I'm desperate for advice after being disqualified for UI benefits. I was fired from a freight company after sending an email to the owner complaining about the toxic work environment. For almost a year, I worked 12-14 hour days (averaging 170+ hours per pay period) with literally no breaks. The male management regularly screamed at dispatchers with racist comments and verbal abuse. I finally emailed one of the owners about the situation. Exactly two weeks later, they fired me claiming I was "smoking on premises" - which is completely false. I occasionally use a vape (with previous permission from supervisors due to my insane hours) but never smoke. Coworkers had warned me I'd probably get fired for sending that email. The day before they fired me, I had even gone to the ER with chest pains (thought I was having a heart attack) but still showed up for my shift! ESD just disqualified me for "misconduct" - but the smoking accusation was clearly just a pretext. The weird thing is the company offered me COBRA coverage, which proves they know it wasn't really misconduct (since Washington doesn't allow COBRA for misconduct terminations). This company is notorious for fighting every unemployment claim. I've already missed two rent payments and am about to lose everything. Has anyone successfully appealed an ESD disqualification for a retaliatory firing like this? What evidence do I need to gather?
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Chloe Harris
You NEED to appeal this immediately! You only have 30 days from the disqualification notice to file your appeal. This sounds like textbook retaliation - you complained about illegal working conditions (no breaks for 12-14 hour shifts is against labor laws) and they fired you with a made-up reason. Get statements from any coworkers willing to confirm: 1) The working conditions you complained about 2) That you had permission to vape 3) That others predicted you'd be fired for the email Do you have any medical documentation from your ER visit? That helps show you were a dedicated employee despite health issues. Also print out any time records showing those excessive hours without breaks - that's your evidence of why you complained in the first place!
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Omar Mahmoud
•Thank you! I just checked and have 11 days left to appeal. Should I hire a lawyer? I'm literally down to my last $400 and can't afford much, but this is my survival on the line. I have the ER discharge papers and my timecards showing the crazy hours. I'm worried though because most coworkers are afraid to speak up - this company has fired people for less.
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Diego Vargas
i got fired for bs too and esd sides with employers way too often. did u appeal yet? ive heard u can win those hearings if u can prove the company is lying about why they fired u. the cobra thing is interesting cuz ur right they shouldnt offer that for misconduct...seems like they slipped up there
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Chloe Harris
•The COBRA offer is definitely a smoking gun. OP should specifically mention that in the appeal - if the company truly believed it was misconduct, they wouldn't have offered COBRA. That alone suggests they know they're on shaky ground with the firing reason.
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NeonNinja
I've helped several people with ESD appeals, and your situation has some major red flags in your favor. Washington state recognizes constructive discharge and retaliation as valid reasons to qualify for benefits. First, you need to file your appeal ASAP through eServices or by mail/fax. Request a hearing with the Office of Administrative Hearings (OAH). During the hearing, focus on these key points: 1) The timing between your complaint email and termination (2 weeks is suspicious) 2) The COBRA offer (contradicts their misconduct claim) 3) The lack of prior warnings about vaping/smoking 4) Your exceptional work record (170+ hours per period) For evidence, submit: - Copy of your complaint email - Timecards showing excessive hours - ER visit documentation - COBRA offer documentation - Any performance reviews or commendations Be factual and unemotional during the hearing. Let the judge see the obvious connection between your complaint and termination. The burden of proof is on the employer to show misconduct, which requires more than just an accusation.
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Omar Mahmoud
•This is incredibly helpful! Should I mention the illegal working conditions (no breaks for 12+ hour shifts) during the hearing? I'm worried that might make me look bad for putting up with it for so long. I have the email I sent to the owner saved and several texts from coworkers warning me I'd be fired for speaking up. Will those help?
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Anastasia Popov
I had a similar situation last year and won my appeal! My former employer claimed I was terminated for attendance but I proved it was retaliation for reporting safety violations. The key was documentation - I had emails, witness statements, and proof the company didn't follow their own attendance policy. One thing to prepare for: ESD hearings are STRESSFUL. The judge will interrupt you, your former employer will probably lie, and the format is very formal. Practice what you'll say beforehand and stick to facts, not emotions. I tried for WEEKS to reach ESD by phone before my hearing to understand the process better and kept getting disconnected or left on endless holds. Finally used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through - they have a service that waits on hold for you and calls when an agent is available. Their video demo shows how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 Worth it to get my questions answered before going into the hearing! The judge actually complimented me for being so prepared.
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Omar Mahmoud
•That gives me hope! How long did the whole appeal process take from filing to getting a decision? I'm seriously worried about surviving financially while this gets sorted out. I'll check out that service - I've been trying to call ESD daily with no luck.
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Sean Murphy
I know this is stressful but try not to panic! I'm currently an administrative assistant at a law firm that sometimes handles unemployment cases, and you have a decent case here. FYI - if you can't afford an attorney, contact the Unemployment Law Project. They provide free/low-cost representation for unemployment appeals. They helped me last year when I was denied benefits. Also, def mention the illegal working conditions! That SUPPORTS your case, not hurts it. It shows you were fired for complaining about something legitimately wrong, not for performance issues. BTW, keep filing your weekly claims during the appeal process!!! This is super important. If you win, they'll pay you for all those weeks, but only if you filed claims for them.
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Omar Mahmoud
•Oh my gosh, I didn't know I should keep filing weekly claims! I stopped after getting the disqualification letter. Will go file those right now. The Unemployment Law Project sounds perfect - I'll contact them tomorrow. Thank you so much for this information!
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Zara Khan
Your situation is a strong case for appeal because ESD defines misconduct as deliberate violation of rules, negligence, or willful disregard of employer interests. Occasional vaping with permission doesn't meet this threshold. I handle unemployment appeals professionally, and timing is critical here. The appeal must specifically address: 1. The lack of progressive discipline (no warnings) 2. The suspicious timing after your complaint 3. The fact that vaping was previously permitted 4. The COBRA offer (excellent point) During the hearing, the judge will ask specific questions about company policies, whether you received warnings, and what exactly happened on the day of termination. Be prepared with concise answers. The burden of proof is on the employer to prove misconduct by a preponderance of evidence. If they can't produce a written smoking policy, evidence you violated it, or prior warnings, they'll likely lose. One important note: Washington's definition of misconduct is narrower than many people think. Simple errors, poor performance, or even some rule violations don't necessarily constitute misconduct for UI purposes.
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Anastasia Popov
•This is spot on. My hearing was exactly like this - the judge kept asking my former employer for documentation of warnings, copies of the policies I supposedly violated, etc. When they couldn't produce them, that significantly weakened their case.
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Luca Ferrari
UGH these companies that fight every claim make me so ANGRY!!!! I worked for a place like that - they'd fire people for made up reasons then contest EVERY SINGLE unemployment claim. And ESD just believes whatever garbage employers say!!! Make sure you emphasize that they NEVER warned you about vaping before. In my experience, judges want to see that employers gave warnings before firing for rule violations. Also, if you can get ANY coworker to text or email you confirming others vaped too without getting fired, that's gold!!! Shows they singled you out after your complaint email. Keep fighting!!!! The system is designed to wear you down but DON'T GIVE UP!!!!!
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NeonNinja
•You make an excellent point about the lack of prior warnings. Under Washington's unemployment regulations, even an actual rule violation may not qualify as misconduct if the employee wasn't given proper warning that the behavior could lead to termination. This is especially relevant for policies that aren't consistently enforced.
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Diego Vargas
just wondering what happened with ur appeal?? did u win?
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Omar Mahmoud
•I filed the appeal yesterday! Hearing is scheduled for next month. I contacted the Unemployment Law Project and have a consultation with them tomorrow. I've been documenting everything and got two former coworkers (who recently quit) willing to provide statements about the work conditions and how management reacted to my email. Feeling cautiously hopeful but still super stressed about money in the meantime.
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