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ESD basing disqualification on recent job instead of job with qualifying hours - help!

I'm literally at my wits end with this ESD nonsense. So I was laid off from my factory job last month where I worked for almost 2 years (that's where ALL my qualifying hours come from). Then I picked up this retail gig for like 3 weeks but got fired because of some BS with my manager claiming I was on my phone too much (their "misconduct" claim). Now ESD is telling me I'm COMPLETELY DISQUALIFIED because of the misconduct from the retail job - a job where I barely worked and didn't even earn enough hours to qualify for UI benefits on its own! Why the hell does ESD care about my most recent job when all my qualifying hours came from the factory where I was legitimately laid off? This makes zero sense. I've called ESD like 20 times and can't get through. Has anyone dealt with this stupidity before? Can I appeal this somehow? I have a mortgage payment due next week and I'm seriously freaking out.

GalaxyGlider

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This is actually a common misunderstanding about how ESD determines eligibility. Even if most of your hours come from a previous employer, they have to consider the circumstances of your most recent separation. It's called the "last employer rule" and it's frustrating but it's how the system works. You definitely need to appeal this decision. When you file an appeal, you'll have an opportunity to explain your situation at a hearing. Make sure you have documentation showing you were laid off from the factory job and that the hours from that job make up most of your base year hours. The appeal deadline is 30 days from the date on your determination letter. Don't miss it!

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Jamal Harris

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Thanks for explaining. That's the dumbest rule I've ever heard but at least I understand why now. I'm definitely going to appeal - is it worth trying to get a letter from my factory job confirming the layoff? Or will ESD already have that info from when I first filed?

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Mei Wong

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omg same thing happened to me!!! worked at boeing for 4yrs, got laid off, worked at target for 2mo, got fired, then ESD was like "sorry misconduct = no $$$" like wtf????

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Jamal Harris

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Did you end up appealing? What happened? I'm trying to figure out if it's even worth the hassle or if I should just try to find another job ASAP.

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Liam Sullivan

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You definitely need to appeal this determination. The misconduct disqualification can be overcome if you can show that: 1) Your separation from your primary employer (the factory) was qualifying (laid off = qualifying) 2) The work at the retail job was not suitable compared to your regular occupation 3) The retail job made up only a small percentage of your base year hours This is covered under RCW 50.20.050 and WAC 192-150. When you appeal, you'll get a hearing with an Administrative Law Judge from the Office of Administrative Hearings (OAH). Bring any documentation you have about your factory layoff and be prepared to explain why the retail job wasn't suitable work compared to your experience and training. In the meantime, KEEP FILING YOUR WEEKLY CLAIMS even while you're waiting for the appeal. If you win on appeal, they can only pay you for weeks you properly claimed.

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Jamal Harris

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Thank you for the detailed info! I'll definitely keep filing my weekly claims. Still worried about how long this appeal might take though... my bills aren't going to wait for ESD to get their act together.

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Amara Okafor

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UGH the ESD system is such BS sometimes! My cousin went thru this EXACT thing last year!!! They denied her too but she won her appeal. Took forever tho. Good luck!!!!

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I went through this nightmare last year. Had to appeal and couldn't get anyone at ESD to answer questions while waiting. After trying to call for weeks and getting nowhere, I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual ESD agent in about 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 The ESD agent explained exactly what I needed for my appeal and even noted some things in my file. Made a huge difference in my case. Still had to go through the appeal process, but at least I knew what I was doing.

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Mei Wong

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does this actually work??? iv been trying to get thru to ESD for 3 weeks!!!

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Yes, it actually worked for me when nothing else did. Got through to a real person who could see my claim details and helped me understand exactly what documentation I needed for my appeal.

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The reason this rule exists is actually to prevent people from working a temporary job after being laid off, then intentionally getting fired to collect benefits. Not saying that's what you did AT ALL, but that's why the system is designed this way. The good news is that appeals for this specific situation have a decent success rate. Here's what worked for me: 1. Appeal within the 30-day deadline 2. Continue filing weekly claims (super important!) 3. Request all personnel records from both employers 4. Write a clear statement explaining that your qualifying hours came from the layoff 5. Document any issues with the retail job that made it unsuitable for your skills/background My hearing took about 45 days to get scheduled, and I got a decision 10 days after that. When I won, I received all my back benefits in one lump sum. Hang in there!

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Jamal Harris

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45 days?? Ugh. But thanks for explaining the actual reasoning behind this rule. I get it, but it still seems unfair to people in our situation. I'll definitely follow your advice about documenting everything.

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StarStrider

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Not for nothin but why did you even TELL them about the retail job??? If you didnt work there long enough to qualify anyway you coulda just left it off your application. Thats what my brother did and he got approved no problem.

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GalaxyGlider

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This is actually terrible advice. ESD requires you to report ALL employment, and they have access to employer tax records that would show the missing job. Intentionally omitting employment can result in fraud penalties and having to pay back all benefits plus interest. Please don't suggest people commit fraud.

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Jamal Harris

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I just submitted my appeal online. Now the waiting game begins... thanks everyone for the advice. I'm still calling ESD every day hoping to get through to someone who can help speed things up. Will update when I have news.

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Liam Sullivan

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Good job filing the appeal! Just remember that the OAH is separate from ESD, so calling ESD won't speed up your hearing date. However, getting through to ESD can still help with making sure your weekly claims are being processed correctly while you wait. Also, when you get your hearing notice, it will tell you how to submit evidence. Make sure you submit anything you want the judge to consider at least 24 hours before the hearing date.

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