ESD denied my UI claim for 'no call no show' termination - I have proof I called!
I'm literally at my wit's end with ESD right now. I just got denied benefits because my former employer told them I was fired for 'no call no show' which is COMPLETELY untrue! I started a new job at Brookfield Manufacturing about 4 months ago and had worked enough to earn my 680 hours (actually a bit more). Last month I woke up sick and called their attendance line at 5:30am - no answer so I left a detailed voicemail explaining I was ill and couldn't come in. I even have the screenshots from my phone showing the call time and duration! When I went in the next day, my supervisor acted weird and then HR called me in and terminated me saying I was a no-call no-show. I tried showing them my call log but they claimed they 'never received any message' and that the termination was final. Now ESD has denied my claim saying I was fired for misconduct! I HAVE PROOF that I followed company policy! Has anyone successfully appealed something like this? Do I need a lawyer? The determination letter says I have 30 days to appeal but I'm freaking out because I really need these benefits.
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Carlos Mendoza
You absolutely need to file an appeal ASAP. This is a common issue and you have a good chance of winning if you have documentation. In your appeal, include: 1. Screenshots of your call log showing the time/date/number 2. Copy of the company attendance policy (if you have it) 3. Any texts or emails where you mentioned being sick 4. Names of any coworkers who can verify you were a good employee The fact that you have actual proof that you called puts you in a strong position. The burden of proof is on the employer to show misconduct, and a single disputed absence usually doesn't rise to that level, especially when you have evidence you followed procedure.
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Ingrid Larsson
•Thank you so much for this advice! I do have the screenshot from my phone showing I called their attendance line at 5:37am and the voicemail lasted 1:42. I also texted my team lead later that day when no one called me back to check if they got my message. Will that help too? I'm nervous about the appeal hearing - do they make it really formal and intimidating?
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Zainab Mahmoud
omg the SAME THING happened to my cousin last year!!! his boss was trying to get rid of him for weeks and then used some bs about him not calling in. he fought it and won tho. definitely appeal!!!
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Ava Williams
•This sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. Companies will say ANYTHING to avoid having their UI tax rates go up. They know most people won't fight it. OP: make sure you're super prepared for your hearing - these employers will bring HR and sometimes even lawyers to try to intimidate you. Don't let them!!!
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Raj Gupta
When you appeal make sure you clearly explain that you followed the company policy exactly as written. The OAH judges are actually pretty reasonable in these cases if you can show you did what you were supposed to do. Also, did your employer ever warn you about attendance before this? If not, that helps your case too.
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Ingrid Larsson
•No prior warnings at all! I had maybe 2 other sick days in the 4 months I worked there, but I always called and they never said anything negative about it. That's why this blindsided me so much.
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Lena Müller
What no one has mentioned is that you should be checking your eServices account DAILY and responding to any requests for information immediately. When I went through my appeal, they sent me a questionnaire that I almost missed because it only gave me 5 days to respond. If you miss these deadlines it can really hurt your case.
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Ingrid Larsson
•Thanks for the heads up! I'll make sure to check it every day. Do you know if they notify you by email when something is added to your account?
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TechNinja
I went through almost exactly the same thing 2 years ago with a nursing home job. I called out sick, left a message, and they claimed they never got it. I appealed and here's what helped me win: 1. I had detailed phone records (not just screenshots) 2. I found a copy of the employee handbook that showed I followed procedure 3. I got a coworker to provide a written statement that the attendance line often had issues The appeal hearing was over the phone and lasted about 30 minutes. The judge asked both me and my former employer questions. My employer couldn't prove I DIDN'T call - they just said they didn't get the message, which isn't the same thing. I won my appeal and got all my back benefits. Don't give up!
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Ingrid Larsson
•This gives me hope! I still have friends at the company - maybe they would be willing to confirm the attendance line has had issues before. I'm worried about my phone records though. The screenshots show I called, but will I need to get official records from my phone company? That sounds complicated.
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Keisha Thompson
When my sister had a similar problem with ESD, she spent WEEKS trying to get through to someone at unemployment to explain her situation. She would call 50+ times a day and either get disconnected or told the wait was 4+ hours. She finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got her through to an actual ESD agent in under 30 minutes. They have a video demo of how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3. It really helped her explain her situation before the appeal to make sure all her documentation was in order. Might be worth checking out since talking to someone at ESD is practically impossible these days.
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Paolo Bianchi
•is that service legit? sounds to good to be true lol. the esd phone lines are IMPOSSIBLE
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Keisha Thompson
•Yes, it's legit. I was skeptical too but it actually worked. My sister got through in about 25 minutes after trying for weeks on her own. Saved her a ton of stress during her appeal process.
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Yara Assad
make sure u get ur appeal in FAST dont wait the whole 30 days, earlier is better. and dont file online do it by fax or mail so u have proof they got it!!!
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Carlos Mendoza
One more thing that's really important: when you attend your hearing, stick to the FACTS and avoid emotional arguments or badmouthing your employer. The judge only cares about whether you followed the attendance policy, not whether your boss was unfair in other ways. Be professional, concise, and focus on the evidence that proves you called in sick according to policy. I've seen people lose winnable cases because they went off on tangents about other workplace issues.
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Ingrid Larsson
•That's really good advice, thank you. I'll try to keep it focused on just the facts about the call and the policy. It's hard because I feel so wronged by them, but I understand the hearing isn't the place to air all my grievances.
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Raj Gupta
After your appeal is filed, make sure you keep filing your weekly claims every week while waiting for the decision! Too many people stop filing during appeals and then if they win, they don't get paid for those weeks. Even if they're denied each week, keep filing!
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Ingrid Larsson
•Oh wow, I didn't know this! I thought since I was denied I shouldn't bother filing until after the appeal. Thank you for telling me - I'll make sure to file my weekly claims.
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Ava Williams
Just be prepared for this to potentially take MONTHS to resolve. The appeals backlog at OAH is ridiculous right now. Make sure you have a plan for how to stay afloat financially in the meantime. Not trying to be negative, just realistic based on current timeframes I've been seeing.
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Zainab Mahmoud
•yea my cousins appeal took like 11 weeks start to finish but he did get all the backpay when he won so thats something at least
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