Appealing ESD denial after employer lied about my termination - anyone won?
I just got my determination letter from ESD saying I'm disqualified from benefits because my employer told them I was fired for misconduct (supposedly excessive absences). This is completely untrue! I had documented medical appointments that were all approved by my supervisor ahead of time. I even have emails showing approval for every single absence. I'm 100% planning to appeal this decision, but I'm terrified they'll just believe my employer again. Has anyone here successfully appealed a denial that was based on false information from their employer? What evidence did you present? How long did the whole process take? Any tips on how to prepare for the hearing? I'm seriously stressed about paying my bills while this gets sorted out.
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CyberSamurai
Yes, I successfully appealed a similar situation last year! My employer claimed I was terminated for violating company policy, but I had documentation proving otherwise. Here's what helped me win: 1. Submit your appeal IMMEDIATELY - you only have 30 days from the determination letter date 2. Gather ALL documentation - those emails showing approved absences are gold 3. Request any relevant HR records through proper channels 4. Prepare a clear timeline of events 5. During the hearing, stay calm and stick to facts The whole process took about 7 weeks from appeal to decision in my case. The judge was very thorough and actually questioned my former employer pretty intensely when their story didn't add up. Just make sure you're organized and professional during the hearing.
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Andre Dubois
•Thank you so much for this detailed response! Did you have an attorney or did you represent yourself? I'm worried about messing up the legal aspects.
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Zoe Alexopoulos
I went through exactley this last year!!! My boss told ESD I was a no-call no-show for 3 days but I had TEXT MESSAGES proving I notified them each day I was sick. ESD intialy denied me but I appealed and WON. Make sure you submit ALL your evidence before the hearing deadline or they might not consider it. The system is rigged against workers but if you have proof you can win!!!
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Jamal Carter
•This gives me hope! My company is notorious for fighting unemployment claims. Did you have to wait a long time for your benefits after winning the appeal?
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Mei Liu
I represented claimants at OAH hearings for 5+ years. Here's what you need to know: - The burden of proof in misconduct cases is on the EMPLOYER, not you - For attendance-related misconduct, they must prove the absences were both excessive AND without good cause - Medical appointments with prior approval generally don't constitute misconduct - Prepare a clear statement for the judge explaining your side - Practice answering potential questions beforehand - Be prepared to cross-examine your former employer Bring copies of your evidence to the hearing (even though you'll submit beforehand), and be ready to reference specific documents. Appeals have about a 40-45% success rate overall, but cases with good documentation like yours tend to fare better.
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Andre Dubois
•This is incredibly helpful information! You mentioned cross-examining my employer - do they always attend these hearings? And what types of questions should I be prepared to ask them?
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Liam O'Donnell
I went thru similar crap with my former employer and ESD denied me too. I didnt appeal because I thought it was pointless and just found another job. BIG MISTAKE. I should have appealed. My friend appealed her denial and won, got all backpay too. Dont give up like I did, APPEAL IT!
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Amara Nwosu
Have you tried calling ESD directly about this? They might be able to give you better guidance specific to your case. I know getting through to them can be a nightmare though. I used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an ESD agent when I had issues with my claim last month. You can check out how it works in their video: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 It got me through to an actual human at ESD who explained exactly what documentation I needed for my appeal. Saved me a lot of guesswork and probably helped me win my case faster.
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Andre Dubois
•I hadn't heard of that service - thanks for sharing! I've been trying to get through for days with no luck. Maybe talking to an agent would help me understand what specific evidence they need.
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AstroExplorer
not exactly the same but my boss said i quit when i was actually laid off. the hearing was scary but i just told the truth and shared my final paycheck stub that said "layoff" on it. i won and got all my money eventually. good luck!!!!!
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Mei Liu
To answer your follow-up question: Employers don't always attend the hearings, but they often do when they've alleged misconduct. If they don't show up, that typically works in your favor as they've failed to meet their burden of proof. If they do attend, be prepared to ask questions like: - Who specifically approved my absences? - What specific company policy did I violate? - Why wasn't I given warnings according to company policy? - Can you provide documentation of these alleged violations? Keep questions focused on facts, not emotions. Your goal is to highlight inconsistencies in their story or lack of documentation. The judge will already have your evidence (emails showing approvals), so your questions should aim to reinforce that your absences were approved and therefore not misconduct.
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Andre Dubois
•Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed to know. I'll start preparing these questions and gathering all my evidence right away.
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Zoe Alexopoulos
Just rembered something important!!!! If you win your appeal they have to pay you for all the weeks you were waiting too!! I got a BIG check about 10 days after my hearing decision came through. Make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even while waiting for the appeal!!!!!!
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Jamal Carter
•This is such an important point that people forget! I almost stopped filing during my appeal last year but luckily kept going.
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CyberSamurai
To answer your question about representation - I represented myself. The OAH hearings are designed to be accessible without attorneys, and the judges are pretty good about explaining the process. That said, if your case is complex or you're really uncomfortable, you can look into free legal resources like the Unemployment Law Project. They offer free consultations and sometimes representation for appeals. One more tip: if possible, try to get statements from coworkers who might know about your situation. Third-party verification can be very persuasive in these hearings. Just make sure anyone providing a statement is willing to potentially testify if needed.
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Liam O'Donnell
btw the whole system is rigged. ESD always sides with employers first cuz they dont wanna pay out benefits. its all about saving money for them. but the appeal judges are seperate from ESD and actually listen to evidence. thats why so many denials get overturned on appeal. the system is designed to hope people give up without appealing.
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Mei Liu
•This is a common misconception, but it's important to clarify: Initial adjudicators aren't incentivized to deny claims. They're making decisions based on available information, and employers often respond to claims while claimants may not provide their full side. The appeal process exists because initial decisions are made with limited information and time constraints. OAH judges have more time to thoroughly review evidence and hear testimony from both sides.
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Andre Dubois
Thank you everyone for the incredibly helpful responses! I've started gathering all my evidence - emails showing approved absences, doctor's notes, and I'm reaching out to a couple sympathetic coworkers for statements. I'll definitely keep filing my weekly claims during the appeal process too. I'm going to try that Claimyr service tomorrow to hopefully speak with an ESD agent about exactly what they need from me. Then I'll draft a clear timeline and practice my testimony like several of you suggested. This whole situation is so stressful, but hearing your success stories has given me hope. I'll update this thread after my hearing to let everyone know how it went!
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CyberSamurai
•Sounds like you're taking all the right steps! Don't hesitate to come back with more questions as you prepare. The fact that you have documentation is really encouraging - that's often what makes or breaks these cases.
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