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Fired for exceeding WA FMLA days - UI claims denied but no appeal option showing

I'm in a really tough spot and need advice ASAP. I had an approved WA FMLA accommodation for a chronic health condition that allowed me 3 sick days per month. Last month I ended up needing to take 4 days (just ONE over my limit) and my employer terminated me for violating their attendance policy. I thought for sure I'd qualify for unemployment since I feel this was unfair termination, but when I checked my eServices account today, my first 2 weekly claims show as DENIED! There's no explanation given and I can't find any appeal option anywhere in my account. I've tried calling ESD at least 15 times but just get trapped in their automated system. Has anyone successfully appealed a denial when they were fired for attendance? Do appeals even show up in your online account or do they mail you something? I'm getting desperate as rent is due next week.

Juan Moreno

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Hmm thats weird that ur not seeing an appeal option. When I got denied last year there was definitely an appeal button right on the decision letter page in eServices. Did you look under 'Letters' in your account? Sometimes the appeal options dont show up on the main dashboard.

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Thanks for responding! I just double-checked the Letters section and don't see anything there about the denials. I'm wondering if maybe they haven't sent the actual determination letter yet and the system is just showing the payments as denied for now? I'm so confused about the whole process.

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Amy Fleming

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You need to wait for the official determination letter before you can appeal. The denials you're seeing are just temporary payment status indicators. ESD must first investigate your separation reason (termination) before making an official determination. Since you were fired for attendance issues, they'll need to determine if it was misconduct. Here's what you need to know: 1. FMLA-protected absences cannot legally be counted against you 2. The extra day beyond your FMLA accommodation is what's in question 3. When you receive the determination letter (usually within 3-4 weeks after filing), it will explain how to appeal 4. Appeals must be filed within 30 days of the determination date 5. For your appeal, you'll need documentation showing your FMLA approval and medical documentation supporting why you needed the extra day Based on what you've shared, you may have a good case if you can prove the additional absence was for the same medical condition.

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This is SO helpful, thank you! I do have all my FMLA paperwork and doctor's notes for the extra day (it was actually a flare-up of the exact condition my FMLA covers). I'll watch for the determination letter. Do you think I should try to contact ESD proactively to explain my situation, or just wait for their determination process?

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Alice Pierce

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Wait they cant fire u for 1 day over ur FMLA!!! thats like super illegal!! my cousin went thru this exact thing with her job at the hospital and she sued them and got her job back plus $$. u should talk to a lawyer not just worry about UI

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Esteban Tate

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Not necessarily true. If OP had an accommodation for 3 days specifically and went over that, the employer might be within their rights. Depends if the extra day was for the same condition and if OP requested an extension of the accommodation. Employment law is complicated.

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I work with unemployment cases regularly, and there's an important distinction here. WA FMLA (Paid Family & Medical Leave) is different from federal FMLA and from an ADA accommodation. Based on what you described, it sounds like you had an accommodation under ADA for your condition that permitted 3 absences monthly. For unemployment purposes, here's what matters: 1. Were you physically able to work on that 4th day but chose not to? Or was it medically necessary? 2. Did you follow your employer's call-out procedures for that 4th day? 3. Did you attempt to get the accommodation modified when you realized your condition required more time? ESD will consider whether your actions constitute misconduct. In Washington, misconduct generally means willful disregard of your employer's interests. If your absence was due to the same medical condition and was unavoidable, you have a strong case on appeal that this wasn't misconduct.

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You're right - it was an ADA accommodation, not FMLA (I get them confused). And yes, the 4th day was absolutely for the same condition. I did follow call-out procedures and provided a doctor's note, but I hadn't formally requested to update my accommodation yet. I wasn't even aware I could do that. This makes me feel a bit more hopeful about my case.

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Elin Robinson

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THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED!! I had almost the exact same situation last year. Got approved for 5 sick days per month for my disability, used 6 days one month because I was literally in the hospital, and my company fired me. ESD denied me because they said I "violated company policy" which was "misconduct" even though it was for a legitimate medical reason!!! Took me FOUR MONTHS of appeals to finally win my case and get backpay. The system is designed to deny people first and make them fight for what they deserve. It's disgusting.

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Atticus Domingo

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Sorry that happened to you but glad you eventually won! Did you have to do a hearing with a judge for your appeal? I'm wondering what that process is like.

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Elin Robinson

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Yep had to do the whole hearing thing with the admin law judge. It was actually over the phone, not in person. Took like 45 minutes and was basically me explaining my side, then my former employer trying to make me sound like a terrible employee who was always absent. Judge actually interrupted them and asked for PROOF that my absences weren't medical. They couldn't provide any so I won.

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Beth Ford

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Try using Claimyr to get through to a real ESD agent! I was in the same boat last month with the endless phone tree and no way to reach anyone. A friend told me about claimyr.com and they got me connected to an actual ESD rep in about 20 minutes instead of waiting for days. There's a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 that shows how it works. The agent I reached was able to explain exactly why my claim was on hold and what I needed to do to fix it. Way better than the anxiety of waiting for a letter!

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Thanks for the recommendation. At this point I'm desperate enough to try anything. I'll check out that link. Did the ESD rep you spoke with have the ability to see details about why your claim was denied?

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Beth Ford

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Yes! The rep could see exactly what was flagged in my account and why my payments were denied. She even put notes in my file about my situation. Much better than guessing what's going on.

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Atticus Domingo

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i just went thru the appeal process last month. the determination letter comes in the mail not in ur eservices account. u have 30 days from the date on the letter to file an appeal, not from when u receive it, so check ur mail carefully. my letter took almost 3 weeks to arrive after my claim was denied. good luck!

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Oh wow, I didn't realize it would come by mail! I've been obsessively checking my eServices account. Thanks for the heads up - I'll watch my mailbox carefully.

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Amy Fleming

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One more thing to consider: while you're waiting for the determination and possible appeal, you should continue filing your weekly claims without interruption. If you eventually win your appeal, you'll only get paid for weeks you properly certified. Even if the system shows them as 'denied' now, keep filing them. If you win your appeal, all those weeks will be paid retroactively.

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Thank you - I wouldn't have known to keep filing! I was about to give up on filing weekly claims since they were getting denied. I'll make sure to keep submitting them while I wait for the determination letter.

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Juan Moreno

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btw did u answer YES to the question about being fired when u first filed your claim? sometimes people say no to that question thinking it helps them but it actually causes problems later when ESD finds out from ur employer. just wondering if that could be part of why ur claims r denied

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Yes, I did answer truthfully that I was fired. I also explained in the comments section that it was related to attendance but that I had a medical accommodation. Maybe that's why they're reviewing it more carefully? Just wish there was more transparency in the process.

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