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Amy Fleming

Do teachers get Washington ESD unemployment during summer break?

I'm a high school teacher in Washington state and school just ended for the year. I won't be getting paid over the summer since I'm not on a 12-month contract. Can I file for unemployment benefits with Washington ESD during summer break? I've heard conflicting information about whether teachers are eligible. My last day was June 15th and I won't be back until late August. Really need to know if I can get some income during these months.

Alice Pierce

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Unfortunately, teachers in Washington typically can't get unemployment during summer break. There's something called the 'reasonable assurance' rule that prevents school employees from collecting UI benefits between school years if they have reasonable assurance of returning to work.

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Amy Fleming

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What exactly counts as 'reasonable assurance'? I have a contract for next year but it's not technically signed yet.

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Alice Pierce

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If your district has offered you a position for the fall that's substantially similar to your current job, that usually counts as reasonable assurance even without a signed contract.

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Esteban Tate

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I'm in the same boat - been teaching for 8 years and never been able to collect unemployment over summer. It's frustrating because we're not getting paid but we're also not eligible for benefits.

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That's so unfair! Other seasonal workers can get unemployment between seasons.

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Esteban Tate

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Right? But apparently education is treated differently under Washington ESD rules.

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Elin Robinson

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Actually, there are some exceptions to the reasonable assurance rule. If your contract terms for next year are significantly different (like major pay cut or different position), you might still be eligible. Also, substitute teachers often have different rules.

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Amy Fleming

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I am switching from teaching English to being a librarian next year - would that count as significantly different?

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Elin Robinson

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That could potentially qualify since it's a different job classification, but you'd need to apply and let Washington ESD make the determination.

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Amy Fleming

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How does that service work? Is it expensive?

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It's pretty straightforward - they help you get connected to an actual Washington ESD agent instead of sitting on hold forever. There's a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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Beth Ford

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My sister is a teacher and she always works summer school or tutoring jobs to make ends meet during the break. Have you looked into summer employment options?

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Amy Fleming

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I've applied to several summer programs but haven't heard back yet. Was hoping unemployment could be a backup plan.

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Same here - summer jobs for teachers are really competitive now.

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Alice Pierce

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One thing to keep in mind is that even if you think you might not be eligible, it doesn't hurt to apply. Washington ESD will make the official determination. The worst they can do is deny your claim.

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Amy Fleming

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That's a good point. Should I apply right away or wait to see if I get a summer job first?

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Alice Pierce

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Apply as soon as possible if you think you might be eligible. There's usually a waiting period anyway, and you can always withdraw the claim if you find work.

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This whole system is so confusing! Why can't they just have clear rules about who qualifies?

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Esteban Tate

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Because every situation is different and there are tons of exceptions and special cases.

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The Washington ESD website has some info about school employees but it's not super clear.

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Elin Robinson

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Here's the key question for your situation: Are you guaranteed the same or similar position when school starts again? If yes, you probably won't qualify. If there's any uncertainty about your job for next year, you might have a case.

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Amy Fleming

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My position is secure, I'm just changing roles within the same district. Sounds like I won't qualify then.

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Elin Robinson

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The role change might actually help your case - definitely worth applying to see what Washington ESD says.

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Joy Olmedo

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I know someone who taught part-time and was able to get partial unemployment over summer because they didn't have reasonable assurance of the same hours. It really depends on your specific contract situation.

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Amy Fleming

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Interesting! I'm full-time though, so probably different rules.

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Isaiah Cross

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Yeah, full-time teachers with contracts almost never qualify unfortunately.

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Kiara Greene

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Been there! The reasonable assurance thing is so frustrating. We're basically forced to save up all year to survive the summer or find other work.

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Amy Fleming

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Exactly! It's like we're penalized for being in education.

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Evelyn Kelly

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Some teachers I know spread their salary over 12 months instead of 10 to help with this.

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Just to follow up on my earlier comment about Claimyr - I ended up using them again this year for a different Washington ESD issue and they're really helpful for getting through to actual people. Saved me so much time compared to trying to call on my own.

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Paloma Clark

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That's good to know. I might need to try that if I decide to apply.

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Amy Fleming

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Thanks for the tip! If I do apply I'll definitely check that out if I need to speak with someone.

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Heather Tyson

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Don't give up hope completely! I've heard of rare cases where teachers got approved, especially if there were budget cuts or uncertainty about positions. Every situation is unique.

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Amy Fleming

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That's encouraging. I think I will apply and see what happens.

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Alice Pierce

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Good attitude! Let Washington ESD make the official call rather than assuming you're not eligible.

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Raul Neal

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My advice would be to document everything about your job change from English teacher to librarian. That role change might be significant enough to overcome the reasonable assurance issue.

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Amy Fleming

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Good point! The requirements and daily duties are pretty different between the two positions.

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Jenna Sloan

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Yeah, if you can show it's substantially different work, that could help your case.

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Whatever you decide, make sure to apply as soon as possible if you're going to do it. Washington ESD claims can take time to process and you don't want to lose out on potential benefits while waiting.

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Amy Fleming

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You're right, I shouldn't wait around. I'll apply tomorrow and see what happens.

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Sasha Reese

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Smart move! Better to try and get denied than not try at all.

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful info! I learned a lot from this thread. Going to apply and hope for the best with my role change situation.

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Elin Robinson

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Good luck! Hope it works out for you.

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Noland Curtis

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Keep us posted on what Washington ESD says!

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Mateo Perez

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Just want to add another perspective - I'm a substitute teacher in Washington and I was actually able to collect unemployment last summer because subs typically don't have that "reasonable assurance" of work. So the rules definitely vary depending on your exact employment situation. Since you're switching from teaching to librarian, that role change might work in your favor. The key is that it's a different job classification with different duties, even though it's in the same district. I'd definitely encourage you to apply - worst case they say no, but you might be surprised!

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