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Can teachers apply for unemployment benefits during summer break in Washington state?

I'm a substitute teacher in Washington and summer break just started. I won't have steady income until school starts again in September. A friend told me teachers can't get unemployment during summer, but I've heard conflicting information. Can I apply for Washington ESD benefits as a teacher? I work for multiple districts throughout the school year and don't have a contract guaranteeing me work next year.

Teachers have specific rules for unemployment in Washington. If you're on a contract with reasonable assurance of returning to work in the fall, you typically can't collect UI benefits during summer break. Since you're a substitute without a contract, your situation might be different.

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That's what I was hoping to hear. I don't have any guarantee of work next year since I'm just a sub.

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Even subs can have issues if the district indicates they'll call you back. It's complicated.

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I tried this last year and got denied initially. Washington ESD said I had 'reasonable assurance' even though I'm just a para-educator. Had to appeal and it took forever to get through to anyone to explain my situation.

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How did your appeal go? Did you eventually get approved?

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Yeah but it took 3 months. The phone system is impossible - kept getting disconnected after waiting hours.

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That's the frustrating part about these cases. The initial determination often doesn't consider the nuances of substitute positions.

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You should definitely apply and let Washington ESD make the determination. The 'reasonable assurance' rule is complex and depends on your specific situation. Document everything about your employment status and lack of guaranteed work.

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Good point. I'll gather my documentation and file the claim.

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Agreed. Better to apply and get denied than not apply at all.

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Interesting, I'll check that out if I run into issues. Thanks for the tip!

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Never heard of that but might be worth it if you can't get through otherwise.

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The key thing is whether you have a contract or letter of intent for next year. If you're truly a substitute with no assurance of work, you should be eligible. But Washington ESD's initial determination might not reflect the nuances.

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I don't have anything in writing about next year. Just got added to the sub list each year.

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That should work in your favor, but be prepared to explain your situation clearly in your application.

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my sister is a teacher and she cant get unemployment over summer even tho she doesnt know if shell have a job next year its stupid

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Is she on a contract though? That makes a difference.

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yeah she has a contract but its not guaranteed to renew

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If she has a contract with reasonable assurance of renewal, that's different from substitute teaching.

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I work as a para and got approved for summer unemployment last year. The trick is how you answer the questions about reasonable assurance. Be honest but clear about your actual employment status.

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That's encouraging! Did you have any issues with the application process?

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Not really, but I made sure to emphasize that I'm hourly with no guaranteed hours or position for the next year.

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The Washington ESD website has information about school employee eligibility, but it's pretty confusing. Might be worth reading through it before you apply.

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I'll check that out. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Been dealing with this for years as a substitute. The worst part is if they deny you initially, trying to get someone on the phone to explain your situation is nearly impossible. Washington ESD's phone system is awful.

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That's what I'm worried about. Hopefully I won't need to call.

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That's exactly why I mentioned Claimyr earlier. Made a huge difference when I needed to actually talk to someone.

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Just file the claim and see what happens. Worst case they say no and you appeal. Better than not trying at all.

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True, I'll go ahead and apply this week.

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Make sure you're looking for work too if you get approved. The job search requirements still apply even if you're planning to go back to teaching in the fall.

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Good point, I hadn't thought about that aspect.

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Yes, you'll need to be available for work and actively seeking employment to maintain eligibility.

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I was a lunch supervisor and got benefits over summer. Key was showing I wasn't guaranteed hours or a position for next year.

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That's similar to my situation. Gives me hope!

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The 'reasonable assurance' thing is so subjective. What one adjudicator considers reasonable assurance, another might not. It's frustrating.

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Exactly! The inconsistency is maddening.

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That's why good documentation and clear communication about your specific situation is so important.

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Applied last month as a substitute and still waiting for a decision. My claim has been in adjudication for 3 weeks now.

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Ugh, that's frustrating. Hope it gets resolved soon.

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If you need to check on the status or get clarification, definitely try Claimyr. That's exactly the kind of situation where talking to an actual person helps.

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Whatever you do, don't wait too long to apply. There's a deadline for when you can file after becoming unemployed.

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Thanks for the reminder. I'll file this week for sure.

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Got approved as a substitute teacher last summer but had to provide a lot of documentation about my employment status. Have your pay stubs and any correspondence with the district ready.

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Good advice. I'll gather everything before I apply.

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The system is set up assuming most school employees have contracts with reasonable assurance. As a substitute, you're in a gray area that requires more explanation.

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That makes sense. I'll be clear about my substitute status in the application.

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Good luck with your application! The process can be frustrating but many substitutes do qualify for summer benefits.

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful advice. I feel much more confident about applying now.

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Update us on how it goes! These threads are helpful for other teachers in similar situations.

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Will do! I'll post an update once I hear back from Washington ESD.

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One more thing - if you do get approved, remember that you'll need to file weekly claims throughout the summer to continue receiving benefits.

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Thanks for that reminder. I'll make sure to stay on top of the weekly claims if I get approved.

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As someone who's worked in HR for a school district, I can confirm that substitute teachers are in a unique position regarding unemployment benefits. The key factor is whether you have "reasonable assurance" of employment for the next school year. Since you work for multiple districts and don't have a contract, you should definitely apply. Make sure to emphasize in your application that you're an on-call substitute with no guaranteed work or hours for next year. The worst they can do is deny you, but many subs in your situation do qualify for summer benefits.

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