Can school employees collect Washington ESD unemployment during summer break?
I'm a substitute teacher in Washington state and wondering if I can file for unemployment benefits during the summer months when school is out. I work for multiple districts during the school year but obviously have no work lined up for July and August. Does Washington ESD allow school employees to collect UI during summer break? I've heard conflicting information and want to make sure I understand the rules before filing a claim.
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NeonNinja
This is actually a complex area of unemployment law. Generally, school employees cannot collect unemployment between academic terms if they have reasonable assurance of returning to work. However, substitute teachers are often treated differently than regular employees. You'll need to look at whether you have a contract or reasonable assurance for the next school year.
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Diego Vargas
•I don't have any contracts signed for next year, just worked as a day-to-day sub. Does that change things?
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NeonNinja
•That could make a difference. Without reasonable assurance, you might be eligible. But Washington ESD will review your specific situation during adjudication.
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Anastasia Popov
I tried this two summers ago as a para-educator and got denied. They said since I worked for the school district during the previous academic year, I couldn't collect during the summer break even though I didn't have a guarantee of work for the fall.
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Diego Vargas
•That's frustrating! Did you appeal the decision or just accept it?
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Anastasia Popov
•I appealed but lost. The hearing officer agreed with Washington ESD that I had reasonable assurance of returning work.
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Sean Murphy
The key factor is reasonable assurance. If you're a substitute without a contract, you might have a case. I'd recommend calling Washington ESD directly to discuss your specific situation, though good luck getting through on the phone.
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Zara Khan
•Ha! Getting through to Washington ESD is nearly impossible. I've been trying for weeks on another issue.
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Luca Ferrari
•Actually, I found this service called Claimyr that helps you get through to Washington ESD agents. They have some system that gets you connected faster. Check out claimyr.com - they even have a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works.
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Zara Khan
•Interesting, never heard of that. Does it actually work?
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Luca Ferrari
•Yeah, I used it last month when my claim got stuck in adjudication. Got through to an agent in like 20 minutes instead of calling for days.
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Nia Davis
SCHOOL EMPLOYEES GET SCREWED EVERY SUMMER! The system is rigged against us. We don't make enough during the school year to survive summers without any income, but they won't let us collect unemployment either. It's ridiculous.
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Mateo Martinez
•I feel your pain. The whole reasonable assurance thing seems designed to keep us from getting benefits.
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NeonNinja
•I understand the frustration, but the rule exists because many school employees do have guaranteed positions. The issue is determining who actually has that assurance.
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Diego Vargas
So it sounds like I should probably apply and see what happens? Even if I get denied initially, I could appeal if I think they're wrong about reasonable assurance?
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Sean Murphy
•That's one approach. Just be prepared that if you collect benefits and they later determine you weren't eligible, you'll have to pay it back as an overpayment.
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Diego Vargas
•Good point. Maybe I should get clarification first before filing.
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QuantumQueen
my sister works at elementary school kitchen and she gets unemployment every summer, but i think thats different than teachers maybe?
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NeonNinja
•Support staff like kitchen workers are often treated differently than instructional staff. They may not have the same reasonable assurance provisions.
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QuantumQueen
•that makes sense why she gets it then
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Sean Murphy
For substitute teachers specifically, Washington ESD looks at several factors: whether you worked enough hours during the year, whether you were offered a contract for the following year, and whether the district has indicated you'll be called back. Document everything about your employment status.
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Diego Vargas
•I worked pretty regularly but never got any indication I'd be guaranteed work next year. Should I gather emails or documentation from the districts?
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Sean Murphy
•Absolutely. Any communication about your status for next year could be crucial if your claim goes to adjudication or appeal.
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Zara Khan
This whole thread is making me realize I should have applied last summer. I'm a bus driver and didn't think I qualified, but maybe I was wrong.
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NeonNinja
•Transportation staff often have different arrangements than teachers. Some districts keep drivers on year-round for summer programs or maintenance.
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Zara Khan
•Mine doesn't. We're basically laid off every summer but told we can come back in the fall.
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Luca Ferrari
If you do decide to call Washington ESD about this, seriously consider using that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier. School employee eligibility questions can be complex and you'll want to talk to someone who really knows the rules, not just read the website.
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Diego Vargas
•Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check it out if I can't get clear answers online.
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Nia Davis
•Anything that helps us actually reach a human at Washington ESD is worth trying.
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Anastasia Popov
Another thing to consider - if you do get approved for summer unemployment, you'll still need to meet the job search requirements. That means looking for work even if you plan to return to substitute teaching in the fall.
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Diego Vargas
•Good point. I wonder if substitute positions for summer school would count as job search activities?
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Sean Murphy
•They should, as long as you're genuinely available for work. The job search requirement is about being able and available, not just going through the motions.
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Mateo Martinez
I know a teacher who successfully got unemployment one summer because her position was eliminated due to budget cuts. Even though she ended up getting hired somewhere else before fall, she qualified because she didn't have reasonable assurance at the time she applied.
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Diego Vargas
•That's a good example. It really seems to come down to the specific circumstances.
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NeonNinja
•Exactly. Each case is evaluated individually based on the facts and the reasonable assurance standard.
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Aisha Rahman
Just apply and see what happens! Worst case they say no and you're in the same position you're in now.
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Sean Murphy
•Well, not exactly. If you're denied, it could affect future claims if your circumstances change. Better to understand the rules first.
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Aisha Rahman
•oh i didnt know that, good to know
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Zara Khan
This conversation has been really helpful. I'm definitely going to look into my own situation as a bus driver. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and knowledge!
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Diego Vargas
•Agreed! I have a much better understanding now of what factors Washington ESD considers.
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NeonNinja
•Happy to help. School employee unemployment eligibility is one of the more complex areas of UI law, so it's worth getting it right.
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