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Lucas Schmidt

Can you collect unemployment if you're self-employed in Washington state?

I've been running my own consulting business for the past 2 years but work has basically dried up completely. My income has dropped to almost nothing over the last 3 months. I know traditionally self-employed people couldn't get unemployment but I'm wondering if that's changed? Does Washington ESD have any programs for independent contractors or freelancers? I'm really struggling to pay my bills and not sure what options I have.

Unfortunately, traditional UI benefits in Washington are still only for employees who had wages reported to Washington ESD. If you were truly self-employed and didn't pay into the unemployment system, you typically can't collect regular unemployment benefits. However, there might be some exceptions depending on your specific situation.

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That's what I was afraid of. I never paid unemployment taxes since I was 1099. Are there any other programs that might help?

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You might want to look into other assistance programs through DSHS or local workforce development, but for unemployment specifically, you'd need to have been an employee with reported wages.

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Wait, did you ever work as an employee while also being self-employed? Even part-time W-2 work could potentially qualify you for some benefits if you had enough wages reported to Washington ESD in your base period.

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Actually yes! I did some part-time contract work through a temp agency last year where they took out taxes. Would that count?

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If they were taking out unemployment taxes and reporting wages to Washington ESD, then yes, that could potentially qualify you. You'd need to check if you have enough wages in your base period.

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This is exactly the kind of situation where you need to talk to someone at Washington ESD directly. The eligibility requirements can be complex when you have mixed employment types.

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I've been trying to get through to Washington ESD for weeks about a similar question and their phone lines are impossible. Has anyone found a way to actually reach someone there? The automated system just hangs up on me.

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Is that legit? I'm so desperate at this point I'll try anything to get through to someone who can actually help.

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SELF EMPLOYED PEOPLE DESERVE UNEMPLOYMENT TOO!! We pay plenty of other taxes but get screwed when we need help. The system is totally broken.

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I get the frustration but unemployment insurance is specifically funded by employer payroll taxes. If you're self-employed, you technically are the employer and employee, but the system wasn't designed for that.

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Well maybe the system needs to change then! Small business owners and freelancers are part of the economy too.

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For the original poster, here's what you need to do: 1) Check if you had any W-2 wages reported to Washington ESD in the last 18 months, 2) If yes, apply for unemployment and see if you qualify, 3) If no W-2 wages, look into other assistance programs through WorkSource or DSHS. The key is whether you paid into the UI system as an employee.

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Thank you, this is really helpful. I'll gather my tax documents and see what wages were actually reported to Washington ESD.

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Also make sure to apply quickly if you think you might qualify. There are time limits on when you can file after becoming unemployed.

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my brother is self employed and he got unemployment last year but I think it was some special pandemic thing? not sure if thats still available

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That was PUA (Pandemic Unemployment Assistance) which ended in 2021. Those special pandemic programs are no longer available.

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oh okay that makes sense. too bad cause it really helped him out

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I'm in a similar boat - been freelancing for 3 years and never thought about this until work disappeared. It's crazy how we're left out of the safety net. Has anyone looked into other states that might have better programs for self-employed people?

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Each state has its own unemployment system, but most follow similar federal guidelines. The key is always whether you paid into the system as an employee.

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Some states are experimenting with portable benefits for gig workers, but Washington hasn't implemented anything like that yet as far as I know.

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This thread is making me realize I should probably look into getting actual employees instead of staying solo. At least then I'd be covered if things go south again.

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That's not a bad idea for multiple reasons. Having employees also gives you more credibility with bigger clients.

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True, plus then I'd be paying into unemployment insurance and would actually be eligible if I needed it.

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I work for Washington ESD (not giving official advice here) but I see these questions a lot. The confusion usually comes from people not understanding the difference between employee wages and self-employment income. Only employee wages reported by employers count toward UI eligibility.

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That's really helpful context. So even if I made good money as a consultant, if it was all 1099 income, it doesn't matter for unemployment purposes?

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Correct. 1099 income doesn't generate UI eligibility because no unemployment taxes were paid on it. You need W-2 wages where the employer paid UI taxes to Washington ESD.

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This is why I always recommend people keep some part-time W-2 work even when freelancing full-time. Gives you that safety net.

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I was self-employed for years and when I finally needed help, I found out I had zero options. Ended up having to take any job I could find just to survive. The system really doesn't account for modern work arrangements.

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That's rough. Did you ever consider setting up your business as an LLC and paying yourself as an employee? I've heard some people do that.

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I looked into it but the paperwork and costs seemed complicated. Plus I wasn't making enough to justify all the extra overhead.

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Just want to add that if you do have some W-2 wages, make sure you understand the base period calculation. Washington ESD looks at specific quarters to determine eligibility, not just any wages from the past year.

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How do I figure out what my base period is? This is getting more complicated than I expected.

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The base period is usually the first 4 of the last 5 completed quarters before you file. So if you file in January 2025, they'd look at October 2023 through September 2024. You can find this info on the Washington ESD website.

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Been following this thread because I'm in the exact same situation. Sounds like my best bet is to apply anyway and see what happens, especially since I did have some temp work last year.

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That's exactly right. The worst they can say is no, and if you do have qualifying wages, you'll be glad you applied sooner rather than later.

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Plus if you get denied, you can always appeal if you think they made a mistake. The appeals process exists for a reason.

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I tried calling Washington ESD about this exact question last month and could never get through. Finally used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier and actually got to talk to a real person. They were able to look up my wage history and confirm I didn't have enough W-2 wages to qualify. At least now I know for sure instead of wondering.

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Good to know that service actually works. I might try that if I can't figure out my eligibility on my own.

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How much does something like that cost? I'm already broke so if it's expensive I can't afford it.

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It's worth checking their website at claimyr.com - they focus on getting you through to the right person rather than charging a lot. Way less frustrating than trying to call yourself.

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UPDATE: I dug through my tax records and found I actually had more W-2 wages than I remembered from that temp agency work. Going to apply this week and see what happens. Thanks everyone for the advice!

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Great! Make sure you have all your employment information ready when you apply, including the exact dates and employer details.

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Keep us posted on how it goes. I'm sure others in similar situations would want to know the outcome.

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Will do! Hopefully this works out because the bills aren't going to pay themselves.

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Best of luck with your application! It's encouraging to see someone actually found qualifying wages. For others reading this - it's really worth digging through old tax documents and pay stubs. Sometimes we forget about shorter-term jobs that might still count toward eligibility.

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