Social Security spousal benefits calculation - Will my wife get 50% of my FRA or age 70 amount?
Hey everyone, trying to put together our retirement plans and I'm confused about spousal benefits. My wife was born March 1959 (FRA 66y 10m) and I was born November 1958 (FRA 66y 8m). Her SS estimate at FRA is about $1,750/month, and at 70 it would be around $2,200. My benefit is much higher - about $3,300 at FRA and $4,100 if I wait until 70 (which I'm planning to do). I'm trying to figure out her optimal filing strategy and have several questions: 1) If my wife claims at her FRA, then when I file at 70, would her spousal benefit be based on 50% of my FRA amount ($3,300) minus her own benefit? So $1,650 - $1,750 = $0 additional? Or am I calculating this wrong? 2) Is there any reason for her to wait beyond her FRA since her own benefit is less than half of mine? 3) Does the spousal benefit automatically kick in when I file, or do we need to apply for it? 4) Since she was born on the 1st of the month, does her FRA actually fall at the end of the previous month? 5) What's the best way to apply - online or in-person at SSA office? Thanks for any help! I want to make sure we're maximizing our benefits.
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Zara Ahmed
So first off, your wife will only get 50% of your FRA amount, not your age 70 amount. That's just how SS works. Waiting til 70 only increases YOUR benefit, not what your spouse gets. But looking at your numbers... if your wife's FRA benefit is $1750 and 50% of your FRA is $1650, then she actually gets $0 in spousal benefits. She just keeps her own $1750 because its higher than the spousal amount.
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Sean O'Connor
•Thanks - that's what I was afraid of! So basically, there's no advantage for her to wait past her FRA since she won't get any spousal benefit anyway?
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Luca Conti
Let me clarify a few things about your situation: 1) Correct, the spousal benefit is 50% of your FRA amount, not your age 70 amount. 2) Your calculation isn't quite right though. The spousal benefit would be the greater of: her own benefit OR up to 50% of your FRA benefit. Since her own benefit ($1,750) is already higher than 50% of your FRA ($1,650), she would just receive her own benefit amount. 3) Given these numbers, there's little reason for her to delay claiming beyond her FRA, as she won't receive any additional spousal benefits when you file. 4) Yes, for Social Security purposes, if you're born on the 1st of any month, your benefit is calculated as if your birthday was in the previous month. So her FRA would be one month earlier than the standard calculation. 5) When you file at 70, nothing would change for her benefit since her own benefit exceeds the spousal amount. Hope this helps!
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Sean O'Connor
•This is super helpful, thank you! So just to confirm - since her own benefit is higher than 50% of my FRA, she should just file for her own benefits at her FRA. There's no advantage to her waiting until 70 since she won't be eligible for spousal benefits anyway, right?
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Nia Johnson
My wife and me went thru this EXACT same thing last year!!! The SSA people gave us wrong info THREE TIMES before someone finally got it right. So frustrating!!!!! But yeah if her benefit is already higher than half yours then there's no point in her waiting. She should just take hers at FRA and you wait till 70. That's what we did.
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CyberNinja
•Same experience here. I spent literally 6 weeks trying to get through to someone at SSA who could explain this clearly. They kept giving me different answers! One rep told me I would get 50% of my husband's age 70 benefit (WRONG) and another told me I had to wait until he filed to get anything (also WRONG). The whole spousal benefit thing is so confusing.
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Mateo Lopez
One thing nobody mentioning - make sure u do the math right. Her benefit at FRA would be $1750 but 50% of YOUR FRA is $1650... so ya you right, she doesnt get any spousal. But check those SS statements sometimes they wrong!
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Sean O'Connor
•That's a good point! I should double-check the latest statements to make sure we're working with accurate numbers before making any decisions.
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Aisha Abdullah
To address your application questions specifically: 1. For people born on the 1st of the month, SSA treats them as if born in the previous month. So your wife's FRA would be calculated based on February 1959, not March 1959. 2. For the application process, I highly recommend applying online through SSA.gov. It's straightforward for retirement benefits. The system will walk you through everything step by step. 3. When you eventually file at 70, your wife should contact SSA to check if she's eligible for any spousal benefits (though based on your numbers, she likely won't be). This won't happen automatically - she needs to request a benefits recalculation. 4. One more thing: make sure you both create my Social Security accounts on SSA.gov to verify your earnings records and benefit estimates before making any decisions.
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Sean O'Connor
•Great advice about checking the my Social Security accounts first. I've created mine but she hasn't yet. We'll do that before proceeding with anything else.
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Ethan Davis
After trying for 3 WEEKS to get through to SSA about almost the exact same situation (different numbers but same questions), I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an agent in under 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent confirmed what others are saying here - spousal benefits are based on FRA amount not age 70 amount, and you only get the higher of your own or the spousal benefit, not both. Since your wife's benefit is already higher than 50% of your FRA, she should just claim at her FRA and you wait till 70. Trust me, save yourself hours of frustration and busy signals.
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Sean O'Connor
•Thanks for the tip! I've been dreading making that call because I've heard the wait times are horrible. I'll check out that service if I need to talk to an agent directly.
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Zara Ahmed
ALSO - dont forget to think about survivor benefits!!!! That's totally different from spousal. If you die first, she would get your FULL benefit including delayed credits. So by you waiting to 70, your actually increasing her survivor benefit. That's somethin to think about too.
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Luca Conti
•This is an excellent point about survivor benefits. By waiting until 70, you're not only maximizing your own benefit but also potentially maximizing the survivor benefit for your wife if you predecease her. The survivor benefit would include all delayed retirement credits up to age 70, unlike the spousal benefit which is capped at your FRA amount.
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CyberNinja
I think ppl r missing something.... if her benefit is $1750 and half of your FRA is $1650, then she gets ZERO spousal benefit. It's not that she gets both - she just gets the higher one. Since her own is higher, she just gets her own. No extra.
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Sean O'Connor
•Yes, that's what I'm understanding now from everyone's responses. Since her own benefit is higher than 50% of my FRA amount, there's no additional spousal benefit for her. Thanks for confirming!
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Aisha Abdullah
One last important point: Make sure you both have continuous earnings records with Social Security. If either of you has years with zero or low earnings, working a bit longer could potentially increase your benefit amounts by replacing those lower-earning years in the calculation. SSA uses your highest 35 years of earnings (indexed for inflation) to calculate benefits. This might be particularly relevant for your wife if she had years out of the workforce.
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CyberNinja
•THIS! My advisor never mentioned this and I found out later I could have increased my benefit by about $300/month if I'd worked just 2 more years to replace some zero years from when I was raising kids. Check your earnings record carefully!
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