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Luca Ricci

Social Security payment taken back after mom died in December - are they correct about 'no benefits in month of death'?

My mom passed away at 91 on December 12th, 2024. Her December SS payment (for November) had already been deposited on December 3rd. Now Social Security is asking for that money back! They're claiming 'Social Security does not pay benefits during the month of death' but I thought benefits were for the PREVIOUS month? When I called, they said we shouldn't have received January's payment (we didn't), but they're ALSO saying we need to return the December deposit. This seems like double-dipping on their part. Mom paid into the system her entire working life and collected benefits for only about 15 years, plus she got a small increase after my dad died. I'm not trying to be difficult, but this seems unfair. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? Do we really have to return the December payment that was for November's benefits?

I'm sorry for your loss. SSA's rules about death benefits are confusing, but the general rule is that you're not entitled to a payment for the month of death, regardless of whether the death occurs on the 1st or 31st of the month. Since benefits are paid in arrears (the December payment was for November), they technically shouldn't be asking for that back. The January payment (which would have been for December) is correctly not paid since she passed in December. I would call them back and specifically ask them to explain why they want the November payment (paid in December) returned. Have them cite the specific rule. There might be confusion about which payment they're referring to.

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Thank you! That's what I thought too. I'll call back and specifically ask about the November payment that was deposited in December. I was too upset during the first call to think clearly about what they were saying.

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When my dad died last year, they took back his last payment too. I argued with them because he died on the 29th of the month so he was alive almost the ENTIRE month, but they still took it. It's ridiculous!! The SSA person told me it didn't matter if the person died on the 1st day or the last day of the month - no payment for month of death. Period. So frustrating!!!!

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same happened with my aunt. they dont care if the person was alive 29 days of the month. cold system if u ask me

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This is a common area of confusion. Let me clarify SSA's policy: 1. Benefits are paid the month AFTER they are due (in arrears) 2. You are NOT entitled to benefits for the month in which you die, no matter when in the month the death occurs 3. The check received in December was for November's benefits Based on what you described, if your mother died in December 2024: - The December 3rd payment was for November benefits and should NOT be returned - No January payment should be issued (which would have been for December benefits) If SSA is asking for the December 3rd payment back, there's likely a misunderstanding. Request to speak with a supervisor and have them review the case specifically. Ask them to note in their records exactly which payment month they are referring to when requesting repayment.

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Actually, there's one wrinkle to this that might explain the confusion. If the mother was receiving benefits on someone else's record (like a widow's benefit based on the deceased father), different rules might apply. In that case, there could be an overpayment situation. OP, were your mother's benefits her own retirement benefits or benefits based on your father's record?

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She was getting her own benefits for years, then after my dad died, there was some kind of increase because his benefit was higher. Does that change things? The SSA representative didn't mention anything about that being the reason.

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That sounds like she was receiving a widow's benefit (or partial widow's benefit) to supplement her own retirement. However, the same rule should apply - the November benefit paid in December should still be hers, and December's benefit (which would have been paid in January) is not payable. I strongly recommend calling back and asking specifically which benefit month they're referring to when requesting repayment.

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i don't understand why the government has to be so complicated with everything! why can't they just let families keep the last check? my grandma died last year and dealing with SS was a nightmare. they kept passing us around to different people and everyone gave different answers. so stressful when ur already dealing with grief!!

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I KNOW!! It's like they want to squeeze every last penny from seniors who've paid into the system their whole lives. My dad worked for 45+ years and they couldn't let him have his last month's payment even though he was alive for 29 days of it. So wrong.

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Have you tried calling the SSA? I had a similar issue last year when my uncle passed away, and I kept getting busy signals and disconnections for DAYS. Finally found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real person at SSA in about 20 minutes instead of waiting on hold forever. They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Definitely worth it for something this important where you need clear answers from an actual representative who can look at your mom's specific case.

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Thanks for the tip! I've been trying to call but getting nowhere. Will check this out because I really need to talk to someone who can explain exactly which payment they're asking for and why.

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my mom died in 2023 and they made us give back her last check too. doesnt matter when in the month they die, ss wants that money back. its just how they do things

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There's an important distinction to make here. If the last check received was for the month the person died in, then yes, that needs to be returned. But if the last check was for the previous month (paid in arrears, which is how SS normally works), then that check should NOT need to be returned. That's why the OP needs to clarify exactly which benefit month SSA is asking to be returned.

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I work with seniors navigating these issues, and I see this confusion frequently. The key is understanding exactly which payment SSA is requesting back. In your situation: - December 3rd payment = November benefits = Should be kept - No January payment = December benefits = Correctly not paid due to death However, there are some scenarios where the November payment might need to be returned: 1. If there was a processing error and the payment was actually labeled as December benefits 2. If your mother was receiving SSI in addition to regular Social Security 3. If there was an overpayment situation unrelated to her death I recommend requesting a detailed written explanation of exactly which payment month they're referring to when requesting repayment. Also ask for the specific policy citation they're using to justify the request.

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Thank you for explaining this so clearly. She wasn't on SSI, just regular Social Security retirement with the widow's increase from my dad's record. I'll definitely ask for the specific policy citation when I call back. It makes no sense that they'd want November's payment returned when she was alive the entire month of November.

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did anyone take care of sending back the payment yet? when my grandma died we had to wait for the official letter from ssa before doing anything. and be careful about ur mom's bank account, sometimes they freeze it when someone dies and then u can't access anything!

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We haven't returned anything yet. I'm waiting until I can talk to someone at SSA who can clearly explain which payment they want back and why. And yes, we're dealing with the bank account issues too - that's a whole other headache!

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I'm so sorry for your loss. This is such a frustrating situation to deal with while you're grieving. Based on what you've described, SSA should NOT be asking for the December 3rd payment back since that was for November's benefits and your mom was alive the entire month of November. The fact that she died on December 12th means she's not entitled to December benefits (which would have been paid in January), but November's benefits are rightfully hers. I'd suggest calling SSA back and asking them to pull up your mom's payment history on screen while you're talking. Ask them to tell you exactly which benefit month they're claiming was overpaid. If they say "December benefits," remind them that December benefits would have been paid in January (which you correctly didn't receive). If they insist the December 3rd deposit needs to be returned, ask to speak with a supervisor immediately and request they document in writing which specific benefit month and policy they're citing. Don't let them confuse you with vague statements. You deserve clear answers about your mom's specific case, especially when you're dealing with what sounds like their error or miscommunication.

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