IRMAA increase for 2025 - What form to file after job loss? SSA-44 vs SSA-561-U2?
I lost my job unexpectedly in March 2024 and started collecting Social Security survivor benefits in May. Now I'm seeing my Medicare Part B premium is jumping to $315/month for 2025 because of IRMAA (based on my 2022 income when I was still working). I'm completely confused about which form to file to get this reduced! Medicare told me this was Social Security's territory and I'm waiting for a callback. Last year, I filed some form (pretty sure it was SSA-44) at my local office after being laid off, and my 2024 premium stayed at the standard $190. But the letter I just got says I should file SSA-561-U2, which looks like an appeal form? Should I be using SSA-44 again since this is a life-changing event (job loss)? Other pressing questions: - When will the higher premium start getting deducted? January check? - Can I just drop forms off at my local office or is that a waste of time? - If it takes months to process and I pay the higher amount, will they reimburse me? - How long does this process usually take? I'm living on a tight budget between my survivor benefits and a small pension, and an extra $125/month is a serious hit. I've got my termination letter ready to attach to whichever form is the right one. Thanks for any help sorting this out!
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Santiago Martinez
You need to file the SSA-44 form, not the 561. The SSA-44 is specifically for reporting life-changing events that affect your IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount). Job loss is one of the qualifying life-changing events. The SSA-561 is a general Request for Reconsideration form, which isn't what you need here. You're not appealing a decision - you're reporting a change in circumstances. Your higher premium will start with your January 2025 payment (which actually comes at the end of December 2024). If you get the SSA-44 submitted soon, they might process it before then, but be prepared for the higher amount to be taken out at least once. And yes, if they approve your request after taking higher premiums, they will reimburse you, usually by adding it to a future benefit payment.
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Natalie Chen
•Thank you so much for clearing that up! I knew something seemed off with the form they mentioned. I'll get the SSA-44 completed this week. Any idea how long processing typically takes? And is dropping it off at the local office better than mailing it?
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Samantha Johnson
i had this exact situation last yr when i lost my job. took the ssa-44 to local office and waited FOREVER but got it stamped recieved. took almost 3 months for them to process!! had to pay the higher premium for january and february but they added the difference back to my march payment. bring all your proof of job loss!! they are VERY picky about documentation
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Natalie Chen
•Ugh, 3 months? That's so frustrating. I'll budget for paying the higher amount for a few months then. Did you just bring a termination letter or did they want other proof too?
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Nick Kravitz
The best approach is to use the SSA-44 form specifically for IRMAA reductions due to life-changing events. The key differences between the two forms: SSA-44: "Medicare Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount - Life-Changing Event" form is used when you've experienced a specific qualifying event like work reduction, work stoppage, death of spouse, divorce, etc. This sounds exactly like your situation. SSA-561-U2: "Request for Reconsideration" is a general appeals form when you disagree with any SSA determination and isn't specific to IRMAA issues. You should definitely drop off the completed SSA-44 at your local office and get a receipt. Processing typically takes 30-60 days, but can sometimes take longer during busy periods. They will retroactively adjust and refund any overpayments once your request is approved. Make sure to bring documentation clearly showing your job loss date and income change. A termination letter is good, but also bring your final pay stub if possible.
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Natalie Chen
•Thanks for the detailed explanation - this makes it very clear! I'll gather both the termination letter and my final pay stub. Good call on getting a receipt too - I'll definitely do that when I drop it off.
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Hannah White
DONT TRUST THE LOCAL OFFICE!!! When I had IRMAA issues last year, they LOST my paperwork TWICE!!! I ended up paying the higher premium for 5 months before they fixed it. And trying to call the 800 number is IMPOSSIBLE - I spent literally HOURS on hold over multiple days and either got disconnected or told contradictory information each time!!!
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Natalie Chen
•Oh no, that sounds like a nightmare! Did you eventually get reimbursed for the overpayments at least? I'm dreading the phone calls...
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Hannah White
•Yes they eventually fixed it but it was EXHAUSTING. I had to keep copies of EVERYTHING and had to make 4 trips to the office total. Make sure you get a RECEIPT with a DATE STAMP when you turn in your forms!!!
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Michael Green
having same issue but my irmaa is going up cuz i took a 401k withdrawal in 2023 to fix my roof. so frustrating that they look at income from 2 years ago when circumstances change!
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Santiago Martinez
•Unfortunately, a one-time 401k withdrawal doesn't qualify as a life-changing event for IRMAA purposes. The qualifying events are very specific: marriage, divorce/annulment, death of spouse, work reduction, work stoppage, loss of income-producing property, loss of pension income, and employer settlement payment. A large withdrawal might affect your IRMAA for 2025 but there's no mechanism to appeal based solely on that type of one-time income increase.
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Mateo Silva
I had a similar issue with IRMAA after retiring. After struggling to get through on the SSA phone lines for weeks, I finally tried a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com). They got me connected to an actual SSA rep in under 15 minutes! Totally worth it since I was spending hours on hold before that. They have a video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The SSA agent confirmed I needed the SSA-44 form and was super helpful in explaining exactly what documentation to include. Got my IRMAA reduced within about 6 weeks.
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Natalie Chen
•Thanks for the tip! After hearing about the wait times others experienced, I might need this. Did the SSA rep help you understand exactly what documentation you needed to provide with the form?
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Mateo Silva
•Yes! The rep went through each section of the form with me and told me exactly what documents would work best for my situation. So much better than guessing. For job loss, they said termination letter plus last pay stub is ideal.
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Michael Green
the irmaa thing is such a mess...my neighbor pays extra for her medicare just because she sold her house in 2023! one big payday and bam, higher premiums for a whole year
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Santiago Martinez
One thing no one has mentioned yet - make sure to submit a NEW SSA-44 for 2025. Your 2024 adjustment doesn't automatically carry over to 2025. Each year is evaluated separately based on your tax returns from two years prior. Also, if your 2023 tax return (which will determine your 2025 IRMAA) already shows reduced income due to your job loss part way through that year, you might not even need to file the SSA-44. Check your 2023 MAGI (Modified Adjusted Gross Income) and compare it to the IRMAA threshold charts for 2025.
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Victoria Jones
I went through this exact scenario when I lost my job in 2022. The SSA-44 is definitely the correct form. One tip: make sure you check the right box for the life-changing event (work stoppage) and use the exact date of your termination. They're sticklers for detail. I also recommend keeping a detailed log of everything - when you submitted forms, who you spoke with, what they said. The process took about 7 weeks for me, and I did get retroactively reimbursed for the higher premiums I paid while waiting. The IRMAA determination is frustrating since it's based on income from two years ago, but the life-changing event provision helps those of us who've had significant income changes.
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Natalie Chen
•Great advice about keeping a log - I wouldn't have thought of that. I'll start one today with notes about all the conversations I've had so far. And thanks for the tip about being precise with the date!
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Samantha Johnson
does anyone know if they look at joint income for irmaa or just the persons on medicare? my husband still works but i dont
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Nick Kravitz
•IRMAA is based on your tax filing status. If you file jointly, they look at your combined MAGI (Modified Adjusted Gross Income). If you file separately, they look at your individual MAGI. This is why some couples with significant income differences sometimes consider filing separately, though that has other tax implications to consider.
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