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I'm planning to claim Social Security at 62 next year but will continue working at my current job where I make about $85,000 annually. I understand there's an earnings limit ($22,320 for 2024) and that SS will deduct $1 for every $2 I earn above that limit. My question is: Does Social Security look at my total W-2 income or my Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) when applying this earnings test? I'm maxing out my 401(k) contributions ($30,500 including catch-up) and putting another $8,000 in my traditional IRA to reduce my taxable income significantly. If they use AGI, my deductions might bring me closer to the limit and make early filing more worthwhile. If they use gross W-2 earnings, I'll get hit with a much bigger reduction. I've searched the SSA website which states: "If you are under full retirement age for the entire year, we deduct $1 from your benefit payments for every $2 you earn above the annual limit." But it doesn't specify exactly what type of income they're counting. Does anyone have experience with this? Thanks for any guidance!
My sister just passed away last month, and her ex-husband died 3 months ago at age 66. She was his first wife (married 15 years before divorcing). He remarried and later divorced his second wife too. Now I'm trying to help my niece figure out if her mom would have qualified for survivor benefits even though they were divorced. She was 61 and really struggling financially.But here's where it gets complicated - we just found out his second ex-wife (who's 60) is already collecting survivor benefits from him! Is that even possible at age 60? I thought you had to be at least 62 for any Social Security benefits.Can both ex-wives collect survivor benefits from the same deceased person? And if you can actually claim at 60, wouldn't the benefit amount be really reduced? My niece is really upset that her mom was living on practically nothing while the "second wife" is getting survivor checks.
Excellent point about disability. Also worth noting that if the sister was receiving SSI (Supplemental Security Income), survivor benefits would have reduced or eliminated the SSI payment, but likely would have resulted in higher total income. These interactions between different benefit programs can be complex, which is another reason the SSA should be more proactive about informing potential beneficiaries.
I'm so sorry for your loss. This situation highlights one of the most frustrating aspects of the Social Security system - the lack of proactive notification. Your sister absolutely would have qualified for survivor benefits at age 61, even with the early filing reduction. The fact that she struggled financially while being entitled to these benefits is heartbreaking. What many people don't realize is that the SSA has all the marriage records and death notifications, but they don't cross-reference them to notify potential beneficiaries. It's essentially a "you have to know to ask" system, which leaves so many eligible people without benefits they desperately need. Even though it's too late for your sister, I'd encourage you to spread awareness about these rules in your community. Too many divorced spouses, especially women, don't know about survivor benefits. The 10-year marriage rule, the ability to claim at 60, and the fact that multiple ex-spouses can collect without affecting each other's benefits - these are crucial pieces of information that could help other families avoid the same tragedy. Your niece might also want to check if there are any advocacy organizations in your area that help people navigate Social Security benefits. Sometimes they can provide guidance even in complex situations like this.
My husband passed away 3 months ago and I'm trying to figure out my financial situation. I'm 62 and just applied for survivor benefits through Social Security. My financial advisor mentioned I could still work while receiving these benefits, but I'm confused about the rules. Can I keep my full-time job (earning about $72,000/year) while collecting survivor benefits? Is there an earnings limit that applies specifically to survivor benefits? I've heard different things about retirement vs. survivor benefits having different rules. Does my age affect how much I can earn without penalties? Any help understanding this would be greatly appreciated as I'm trying to plan my budget for next year.
Harper, I'm so deeply sorry for your loss. Navigating Social Security survivor benefits while grieving is incredibly challenging, and you're asking exactly the right questions. Everyone here has provided excellent guidance about the earnings test impact on your $72,000 salary. What I'd add is this: consider asking SSA about the "first year rule" specifically. In your first year of receiving benefits, they can apply a monthly earnings test where any month you earn under $1,950 (1/12 of the annual limit), you get your full survivor benefit for that month regardless of your total annual earnings. This could be valuable if you have flexibility with bonuses, overtime, or vacation timing. Even if you can't restructure your base salary, strategically timing variable compensation might help you qualify for full benefits in certain months. Also, when you do speak with SSA (definitely try that Claimyr service others mentioned), ask them to run scenarios showing exactly what your monthly survivor benefit would be after earnings test reductions. Sometimes seeing the actual dollar amounts helps clarify whether claiming now versus waiting for FRA makes more financial sense. You're handling this with incredible strength and thoroughness. Whatever you decide will be well-informed thanks to all the research you're doing. This community has your back as you work through this difficult process.
Harper, I'm so deeply sorry for your loss. Losing your spouse is heartbreaking, and having to make these complex financial decisions while grieving must feel overwhelming. Reading through all the excellent advice you've received here, I'm amazed by how knowledgeable and supportive this community has been. The key insight everyone keeps emphasizing is absolutely critical - survivor benefits that are withheld due to the earnings test are permanently lost, unlike retirement benefits that get recalculated later. With your $72,000 salary being nearly $49,000 over the 2025 earnings limit of $23,400, you're looking at roughly $24,300 in lost survivor benefits annually until you reach FRA. That's a substantial amount that won't be recovered. The systematic approach that's emerged from this discussion is excellent: - Get specific calculations from SSA (the Claimyr service sounds very helpful for actually reaching them) - Explore compensation restructuring with your employer (maximize 401k, HSA, other pre-tax benefits to reduce countable earnings) - Ask about monthly earnings tests for variable compensation periods - Consider reduced hours as a middle-ground option while keeping health benefits - Create detailed comparison spreadsheets for different time horizons Given your job security, valuable health insurance, and the permanent nature of withheld survivor benefits, waiting until FRA to claim unreduced benefits without earnings restrictions appears to be your strongest financial strategy. However, those concrete SSA calculations will provide the clarity you need. You're showing incredible strength in researching all these options during such a difficult time. Whatever decision you make will be well-informed thanks to your thoughtful approach. This community is here to support you through this challenging process.
I've been a stay-at-home mom/homemaker for pretty much my entire adult life and I'm turning 62 next month. My husband (67) has always been our family's sole income provider and has been collecting his Social Security retirement since last year. I'm getting worried because I never had my own income - does that mean I won't qualify for any Social Security benefits at all? I've heard something about spousal benefits but don't really understand how they work or if I'd even be eligible since I haven't contributed to the system myself. What options do I have? Will I just have to rely completely on my husband's income forever?
As a newcomer to this community, I want to add my heartfelt thanks for this incredible thread! I'm 54 and have been a homemaker for over 30 years while my husband worked. Like so many of you, I've been worried about my financial future since I never had traditional employment or my own income. Reading through all these responses has been both educational and deeply reassuring. The detailed explanations about spousal benefits being up to 50% of your husband's PIA at full retirement age, the practical tips about setting up a mySocialSecurity account early, and all the real-world advice about dealing with SSA - this is invaluable information that you just can't find in official publications. What's been most meaningful to me is how this community consistently validates that our work as homemakers has genuine economic value. The spousal benefit system exists precisely because society recognizes that marriage is an economic partnership and that supporting a family through unpaid work deserves recognition. After decades without paychecks, it's easy to feel like we haven't "contributed," but you're all helping me see that we absolutely have. I'm particularly grateful for the practical tips shared here - from bringing the right documents to considering services like Claimyr for phone calls. I'm definitely going to start by setting up that mySocialSecurity account as suggested, even though I won't need it for several years. Thank you to everyone who has created such a comprehensive and supportive resource. This thread is going to help so many of us navigate these decisions with confidence!
As a newcomer to this community, I'm so grateful to have found this incredibly comprehensive thread! I'm 55 and have been a homemaker for over 30 years while my husband worked, and like many of you, I've been anxious about my financial future since I never had traditional employment. Reading through all these responses has been both enlightening and deeply reassuring. The clear breakdown of spousal benefits (up to 50% of your husband's PIA at full retirement age), the practical application tips, and especially the consistent validation that homemaking IS valuable work - it's exactly what I needed to hear. I had no idea about resources like setting up a mySocialSecurity account early or services like Claimyr for getting through phone lines. What really resonates with me is how this community recognizes that we homemakers have made real economic contributions to our families, even without paychecks. The spousal benefit system acknowledges that marriage is an economic partnership and that our unpaid work supporting our families has genuine value. I'm particularly grateful for the suggestion to start with small steps, like creating the mySocialSecurity account now even though I won't need to apply for several years. Having this roadmap and timeline makes what seemed like an overwhelming process feel much more manageable. Thank you to everyone who has shared their wisdom and experiences so generously. This thread has become an invaluable resource that will help so many of us feel more confident about navigating our financial futures. I'm definitely bookmarking this entire discussion to reference as I approach my own decision-making time!
Welcome to the community! As another newcomer who's been following this amazing thread, I can completely relate to your situation and feelings. I'm 51 and have been a homemaker for about 28 years while my husband worked, so reading through all these detailed responses has been incredibly valuable for me too. What I find most encouraging is how this discussion has evolved into such a comprehensive guide that covers not just the technical aspects (like the 50% spousal benefit rule and timing strategies) but also the emotional validation that our work as homemakers truly matters. It's been so helpful to see how the spousal benefit system specifically recognizes the economic value of the unpaid work we've done supporting our families. The practical tips shared here are gold - I've already made notes about setting up the mySocialSecurity account early, gathering the right documents, and considering tools like Claimyr. Having several years to prepare feels like such an advantage after reading everyone's experiences. Thank you for adding your voice to this conversation. It really helps to see how many of us are in similar situations and that we have this supportive community to learn from. Looking forward to continuing to learn alongside you as we approach our own decision-making times!
Hi everyone, I need some clarification about SSDI dependent benefits. I've been receiving SSDI since 2015 following multiple head trauma surgeries, and for the past 2 years, I've had legal guardianship of my niece (6) and nephew (9). My sister lost custody, and the court appointed me as their guardian, which looks like it will be permanent. A neighbor mentioned I might be able to get auxiliary benefits for the kids since I'm their legal guardian, but I haven't pursued it because I assumed I was already receiving my maximum benefit amount. Is this even possible with SSDI when they're not my biological children? Would the fact that I have legal guardianship rather than adoption make a difference? The extra support would help tremendously with their school expenses, but I don't want to mess up my current benefits by asking the wrong questions. Any insights would be greatly appreciated!
After reading through all these responses, I want to highlight something important: You mentioned you haven't applied because you thought you were at your "max amount" - but that's not how it works. Your personal SSDI benefit is fixed based on your earnings record. The children's benefits are additional and separate, though subject to the family maximum. So applying for them won't reduce your current payment at all. I really encourage you to move forward with this application as soon as possible since there's a limited retroactive period.
Just wanted to add that you should also consider keeping detailed records of all expenses related to the children's care (school supplies, medical bills, clothing, etc.) as SSA may ask for proof that you're providing their primary financial support. Also, if the biological parents ever start providing significant support in the future, you'll need to report that to SSA as it could affect the children's benefits. The good news is that once you get these benefits established, they should continue until each child turns 18 (or 19 if still in high school). Good luck with your application - it sounds like you're doing an amazing job caring for these kids!
Justin Evans
Just to add one more consideration: while your benefits are reduced due to the earnings test, you're still earning additional credits that might increase your future benefit amount. When you file while working, they recalculate your benefit annually to include any higher earning years that might replace lower ones in your top 35 years. So even with the reduction, continuing to work at a good salary could eventually increase your monthly benefit. That said, with your income level, waiting until at least 66 or your full retirement age would likely be more financially advantageous in the long run.
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Joshua Wood
AuthorThat's a good point about the recalculation! I hadn't considered that my current earnings might be replacing lower earnings from earlier in my career. Based on all the feedback, I think my best option is to continue working and wait until closer to my FRA to file. The earnings test would just wipe out too much of my benefit if I file at 62. Thank you all for the helpful information!
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GalaxyGazer
One thing to keep in mind is that Social Security will automatically adjust your withholding throughout the year based on your reported earnings. If you're getting a regular paycheck, they'll typically spread the reduction across your monthly benefit payments rather than taking it all at once at the end of the year. Also, make sure to report any changes in your work status or earnings to SSA promptly. If you reduce your hours, get laid off, or have a significant drop in income during the year, they can adjust your benefits accordingly. The earnings test is applied on an annual basis, so mid-year changes can work in your favor. Given your situation, you might also want to consider whether you could negotiate reduced hours or consulting work at a lower annual income that would keep you closer to the earnings limit while still allowing you to collect some benefits.
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