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have you checked the social security calculator on ssa.gov? my husband and i found it super helpful when we were planning our benefits. it doesnt tell you everything but at least gives you basic numbers to work with!!

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I tried using that calculator but got confused about some of the inputs. Do you remember if you needed to adjust for inflation when entering future earnings? I'm not sure I'm using it correctly.

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One additional consideration - your husband's earnings after claiming might increase his benefit amount, but these increases are typically small and applied once per year. In my husband's case, he saw about a 1.5% increase annually from continued work. Something to factor into your calculations when deciding on timing. Also, make sure both of you have created your my Social Security accounts online. That way you can see your exact estimated benefits at different ages, which helps tremendously with planning.

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Thanks for mentioning this! We've both set up our my Social Security accounts, which has been helpful, but I didn't realize the potential increases from continued work might be so small. 1.5% isn't much compared to the 8% per year from delaying. Gives us more to think about.

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To summarize what others have correctly stated: The payment received in October was for September benefits. Since your mother-in-law was alive throughout September, that payment is correctly paid and does not need to be returned. You should notify SSA of her passing as soon as possible to prevent any payments for October (which would be paid in November) from being issued. If a payment for October is issued, that would need to be returned since she wasn't alive for the entire month of October. Also, be aware that a surviving spouse or dependent child may be eligible for the one-time death benefit of $255, which is separate from the monthly benefits.

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Thank you for this clear summary. We'll be contacting SSA tomorrow to notify them and ask about the death benefit too.

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When my aunt died the bank froze her account and it was a mess trying to sort out which funds were supposed to stay and which had to go back. If your mom had direct deposit you might want to check with her bank too

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. I'll call her bank tomorrow. Thank you!

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i waited it out cause i hate calling them but mayb calling is better, my friend said somtimes they forget to hit some button in there system and it just sits there until someone checks?? idk if thats true

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Update from the original poster would be helpful. Has there been any change in status? For others reading this thread, auxiliary benefits for children under a parent's record typically take 2-4 weeks for processing, but can take up to 6 weeks during high-volume periods. The SSA's published standard is 21 business days, but they rarely meet that timeline in practice.

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Still nothing as of today (day 16). I'm going to wait until next week (day 21) and then try calling. Thanks everyone for the reassurance that this seems to be normal, even if frustrating. I'll update when I get the letter or payment!

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SSDI under $1000 - Can I get higher benefits from spouse's SS record even though they work in pension job?

I've been on SSDI for about 15 years now (became disabled before my marriage) and my monthly benefit is pathetically low - only about $950. My spouse and I have been married for over 27 years, but I'm wondering if I could possibly qualify for higher benefits based on their earnings record? Here's where it gets complicated: My spouse isn't anywhere near retirement age yet. Also, for their first 18-20 years of working, they paid into Social Security normally. But for the last decade, they've been working in a government job that only pays into a pension system, not Social Security. I've been trying to understand how this might affect things. From what I've read, my spouse might face the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) or Government Pension Offset (GPO) when they retire because of the pension job. But what I can't figure out is: 1) Can I claim any spousal benefits NOW based on their SS record even though they're not retired? 2) Does their switch to a pension-only job for the last 10 years mess up their Social Security eligibility completely? 3) Am I just stuck with my low SSDI payment forever? I also looked into ABLE accounts, but I miss the age cutoff by a few months, so that's not an option. If anyone has dealt with this pension/SS crossover situation, I'd really appreciate some guidance on what specific questions I should ask when I contact SSA. Their website is so confusing on these mixed scenarios!

my head hurts just reading all this pension offset stuff lol. but one thing nobody mentioned - have you looked into your state's disability benefits? some states have supplemental programs for ppl on SSDI with low payments. might be worth checking. also food stamps and energy assistance programs can help stretch that small SSDI check

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Jabari-Jo

That's a really good suggestion I hadn't thought of! I'll definitely look into state programs. We've been trying to make it work on just my spouse's income plus my small SSDI, but any additional help would make a big difference. Thank you!

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One more thing to consider - when your spouse does reach retirement age, you should definitely reapply for spousal benefits even if you think the GPO might eliminate them. The calculations are complex, and depending on the size of their pension versus their Social Security benefit, you might still get some additional amount. Also, keep in mind that the rules for disability benefits can differ from retirement benefits in terms of how they interact with spousal benefits. Make sure when you contact SSA you specifically mention you're on SSDI, not retirement benefits, as this changes how certain provisions apply.

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Jabari-Jo

Thank you so much for this additional info. I'll definitely reapply when my spouse reaches retirement age. It feels like navigating a maze with all these interconnected rules! I really appreciate everyone's help in sorting through this.

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I'm dealing with weird SS stuff too right now but mine is about disability not retirement but still can't get anyone on the phone either it's so frustrating I've been calling for like 2 weeks straight and when I do get through after waiting forever they transfer me and then I get disconnected anyway sorry not helpful just commiserating

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Try the service I mentioned above - Claimyr. It works for all SSA-related calls including disability. Saved me hours of frustration.

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To follow up on some of the questions and confusion here: 1. The spousal benefit is NOT automatic in most cases - you generally need to apply for it. 2. The maximum spousal benefit is 50% of your spouse's PIA, but that's only if you wait until your own Full Retirement Age to claim spousal benefits. 3. Since you claimed at 62, your spousal benefit will be permanently reduced to around 32.5%-35% of his PIA (depending on your birth year). 4. The actual calculation SSA does is: (reduced spousal benefit amount) - (your own retirement benefit). 5. So you'd receive your own benefit plus potentially some additional amount as the 'spousal add-on.' To apply, you can call SSA at 1-800-772-1213 or visit your local office. I recommend bringing documentation showing both your and your husband's benefit amounts. Also bring your marriage certificate, as they'll need to verify your relationship.

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Thank you so much for this detailed information! I'll gather my documents and try to make an appointment at our local office. Appreciate everyone's help in understanding this complicated system.

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this stuff is why the system is so messed up!! why make it so complicated?? my brother just turned 65 and hes waiting til 67 to collect cuz of all this earnings limit headache. seems like a scam to keep people from getting benefits they paid into their whole life

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It's definitely complex, but the earnings test exists because Social Security is designed as retirement insurance, not a savings account. The original intent was to replace income lost due to retirement. That said, I agree the rules could be communicated much more clearly by the SSA to avoid confusion.

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Thank you all for the helpful advice! After reading everything, I think my best option is to either wait until FRA or coordinate my Social Security filing with my reduced work hours through the phased retirement program. I'll probably use that Claimyr service to get through to SSA and discuss my specific situation. If I do the phased retirement starting in July 2025 (which would drop my income to about $43,000 for the year), would I still lose most of my benefits? Or would that lower income help with the earnings test?

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Mia Green

With $43,000 annual income and a 2025 limit around $24,000, you'd be $19,000 over the limit. That means they'd withhold approximately $9,500 of your benefits ($1 for every $2 over). So if your monthly benefit is $2,000, you'd lose almost 5 months of benefits. You might want to ask your employer if you could start the phased retirement in January instead of July - that would make a significant difference in how much you'd lose to the earnings test.

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i forgot to ask but does your husband know ur applying for this? my moms ex found out when she did this and he got really mad about it for some reason even tho it didnt affect his check at all lol

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We're still on decent terms and talk occasionally about financial matters. I'll probably mention it to him, but from what everyone is saying here, it shouldn't affect his benefit amount at all. Thanks for bringing that up!

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Just to follow up on my earlier comment - I want to emphasize that claiming spousal benefits will NOT reduce your husband's benefit amount in any way. This is a common misconception. His benefit remains exactly the same regardless of whether you claim on his record or not. This is important to understand, especially if there's any tension in your relationship.

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That's a huge relief. I wasn't sure about that part. Even though we're separated, I wouldn't want to do anything that would negatively impact his benefits. Thank you for clarifying!

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my aunt tried to get her ex husband benefits and they made her go to court to get his info! but that was like 10 years ago so maybe rules changed

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The rules haven't changed regarding ex-spouse benefits, but the process for locating information has improved. Today, the SSA rarely requires court intervention to locate basic information like birthdates or SSNs for benefit purposes. Their internal systems are more integrated now, which is why they can usually find this information if given enough identifying details to locate the correct person.

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when i filed for ss they kept askin for stuff i already sent!! check ur mail careful cuz they send letters asking for same stuff over n over. took me 4 months to get approved

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THIS!!! I had to send my marriage certificate THREE TIMES because they kept "losing" it. Make copies of EVERYTHING and get receipts when you submit documents in person. The SSA is a bureaucratic nightmare!

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By the way if your own benefit will be higher at age 70, you were smart to take survivors at 60 even with the reduction. It's actually the optimal strategy in many cases - take the reduced survivor benefit while continuing to work and build up your own record, then switch to your own maximized benefit at 70. So you've actually handled this correctly!

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That's really reassuring to hear! I was starting to think I'd made a huge mistake.

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wait i'm confused... doesnt the earnings limit go away at 62? or is it 67? my brother is dealing with this too

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The earnings limit applies until you reach your full retirement age (FRA), which is between 66-67 depending on your birth year. At that point, you can earn any amount without reduction in benefits. There's no special rule at 62 - that's just the earliest age you can claim regular retirement benefits.

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The whole process is MUCH more complicated than they make it sound!!! I tried doing mine online and kept getting ERROR messages when I was nearly finished! Lost ALL my work! Had to start over THREE TIMES!!! Then waited on hold for 2+ hours trying to get help. ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE. Just go to the office in person if you can!!!

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Sorry you had such a tough time! The website can definitely have glitches. If you need to call SSA again and don't want to wait hours on hold, try Claimyr.com - it's a service that gets you through the phone system much faster. Saved me when I had application issues.

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful information! I feel much better prepared now. I've got my SS card, birth certificate, bank info, and I'll make sure I know my employment history for the past couple years. Good to know I probably won't need to upload actual documents for a standard retirement application. I'm going to set aside an hour this weekend to start the process. Really appreciate all the advice!

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One last tip: complete your application during non-peak hours (early morning or late evening, or on weekends) when the SSA systems have less traffic. This reduces the chance of technical issues. Also, if you have any questions during the application that aren't addressed in the FAQs, write them down and call the SSA after you've submitted your application rather than abandoning the process midway. Good luck!

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