Confusion about SS retirement benefits starting while already receiving survivor benefits - will amounts change?
I'm really confused about a letter I just got from Social Security. I've been receiving survivor benefits from my ex-husband who passed away about 14 months ago. The monthly amount has been $2,340. But yesterday I got this strange letter saying I'll be enrolled in Medicare Parts A&B starting in November (when I turn 65), and they'll be sending me my first payment for October benefits in November. The weird part is that the benefit amount they're showing is only $2,140 - which is about $200 LESS than what I'm already getting from the survivor benefits! Does this mean I'm switching from survivor benefits to my own retirement benefits automatically? I never even applied for my own benefits yet! I've got a callback scheduled with SSA but it's not for another 2 weeks and I'm freaking out a bit. Will I be receiving BOTH payments or are they replacing my survivor benefits with a smaller amount? Has anyone dealt with this kind of situation before?
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Haley Stokes
This is a case of SSA automatically enrolling you in Medicare, not necessarily switching your benefits. At 65, you're eligible for Medicare even if you haven't filed for retirement benefits. The letter is likely confirming your Medicare enrollment, and the amount mentioned could be your own retirement benefit amount if you were to claim now. However, you are NOT required to switch from survivor benefits to your own retirement benefits at 65. The general rule is you receive whichever is higher - your own retirement benefit OR your survivor benefit, not both. If your survivor benefit is higher ($2,340 vs $2,140), you should definitely keep those instead of switching.
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Lia Quinn
•Thank you! That makes more sense. So do I need to explicitly tell them I want to STAY on the survivor benefits? I'm worried they'll automatically switch me without asking.
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Asher Levin
the same thing happend 2 my mom last year!!! she was on my dads benefits after he died and they tried to switch her to her own at 65 even tho it was like $300 less!! she had to call them and it took forevar but they fixed it. dont let them auto switch you!!
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Lia Quinn
•Oh that's scary! I'm definitely going to make sure they don't switch me to the lower amount. Did your mom have to call multiple times? I'm worried about my callback actually resolving anything.
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Serene Snow
So what you're actually receiving right now is called "surviving divorced spouse benefits" (since you were divorced when he passed away). At 65, SSA automatically enrolls everyone in Medicare, but they don't automatically switch your benefit types unless you applied for retirement benefits (which you said you didn't). What's probably happening is they're just SHOWING you what your own retirement benefit would be ($2,140) if you chose to switch. But here's the good news - you don't have to decide now! You can stay on the survivor benefit and switch to your own retirement benefit later if it makes sense. Your own retirement benefit will grow until age 70 if you wait. When you have your callback, specifically ask them to explain the letter and confirm you'll continue receiving the survivor benefits uninterrupted. I'd write down exactly what they tell you during that call for your records.
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Issac Nightingale
•WAIT A SECOND. I thought survivor benefits maxed out at Full Retirement Age??? My brother in law said you HAD to switch at that point? Now I'm confused cause I'm in almost the same situation!!!
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Serene Snow
•No, survivor benefits reach their maximum at your FRA (which is probably 66 and a few months for someone turning 65 now), but you don't HAVE to switch to your own benefits then or ever. You can continue receiving survivor benefits and let your own retirement benefit grow until 70 if that would result in a higher amount. This is called a "restricted application" strategy and it's one of the few claiming strategies that still works after the 2015 law changes.
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Romeo Barrett
I had exactly this situation last year. The letter is extremely confusing! What's happening is that you're being enrolled in Medicare (mandatory at 65 unless you have other qualified coverage) but NOT being switched to retirement benefits. Call them ASAP though because sometimes they DO mistakenly switch people. When you call, ask specifically about "continuing survivor benefits while enrolling in Medicare." Make them confirm that your survivor benefits won't be interrupted. Ask for the name of the person you speak with and write everything down. You might want to try using Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to SSA faster instead of waiting for the callback. I used it when I had this same issue and actually got through in about 20 minutes instead of waiting days. They have a video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU
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Lia Quinn
•Thank you! I've never heard of Claimyr before. I'll check out that video because waiting 2 weeks for this callback is making me so anxious. I definitely want to get this straightened out before any potential benefit changes happen.
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Marina Hendrix
My situation was different but I had Medicare start while on SSDI. The letter is just telling you Medicare is starting. They aren't changing your survivor benefits. Don't worry!
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Lia Quinn
•I hope you're right! I'm just concerned because the letter specifically mentions a payment amount, and it's less than what I receive now.
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Asher Levin
BTW I forgot 2 say my mom ended up having to go to the actual SS office to fix it cause the phone ppl kept giving different answers. if u can go in person do that
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Justin Trejo
YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL HERE. Social Security does sometimes automatically switch people at FRA if they don't specify otherwise. I've seen it happen to three different people in my retirement group. One lady lost almost $400/month because they switched her and then told her she couldn't go back!!! The system is BROKEN.
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Haley Stokes
•While it's true SSA can make mistakes, if someone was switched incorrectly, they absolutely CAN appeal and have it corrected - there's no rule saying "you can't go back" if SSA made an error. That said, it's always better to prevent mistakes than correct them afterwards, so being proactive about this is good advice.
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Lia Quinn
Update: I used Claimyr to get through to SSA this morning instead of waiting for my callback. The agent confirmed the letter was just about Medicare enrollment but also said there was a note in my file about "benefit type review" which is why it showed my own retirement amount. She put a note in my file that I want to CONTINUE my survivor benefits and not switch to retirement benefits at this time. She also said I should receive a clarification letter within 2 weeks. Thank you all for your help!
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Serene Snow
•Great news! Always get the names of who you speak with at SSA and keep good notes. And remember - at age 70, check to see if switching to your own retirement benefit would give you more money, as your retirement benefit will have grown substantially by then if you don't claim it earlier.
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Romeo Barrett
•Glad Claimyr worked for you! And good job being proactive - it sounds like there really WAS a potential issue with your benefits that needed to be addressed. The "benefit type review" they mentioned is exactly the kind of thing that can lead to automatic changes if you don't specify your preference.
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