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btw make sure ur NOT confusing SSI and SSDI with retirement benefits. totally different rules for those programs

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No confusion there - I'm definitely on regular retirement benefits. Thanks for checking though!

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One more important point: When you reach your Full Retirement Age (FRA), the earnings test disappears completely. So once you turn 66, you can earn unlimited income without any reduction in benefits. Keep that in mind for your future planning.

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That's great news! I turn 66 next July, so I only need to worry about the earnings limit for one more year. After that, I can take on more consulting work without restrictions. Thanks for pointing that out!

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One other thing to consider - if you're going to reach Full Retirement Age (FRA) this year, then there's a higher annual limit ($59,520 for 2025) and the reduction is only $1 for every $3 over the limit. After you reach FRA month, there's no limit at all! So your specific situation might be different depending on your age.

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Thanks for mentioning this, but I'm only 63 so I still have a few years before FRA. I'm stuck with the lower limit for now unfortunately.

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Just to follow up on the June situation: If you want to avoid going over the limit, you could ask your employer to shift one of your June shifts to July, or take one unpaid day off in June. At your hourly rate of $16.64, working about 117 hours would keep you just under the $1,950 limit. Alternatively, if this is a one-time situation and you'll be under the limit for all other months, you might actually be better off just working the extra hours, going slightly over in June, and having a small benefit reduction rather than losing a full day's wages.

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my cousin in florida just used some website to figure it all out... i think its called maximize my social security or something

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You're probably referring to Maximize My Social Security. It's one of several good software tools (along with Social Security Solutions and others). These can be helpful, but often work best when combined with professional guidance, especially for complex situations like the OP described with pension offsets.

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I forgot to mention - make sure whoever you work with understands the implications of the teaching pension. Georgia is one of those states where some teachers didn't pay into Social Security, which triggers the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and possibly the Government Pension Offset (GPO). These can significantly reduce your benefits, and many advisors don't have experience with these provisions.

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This is really important - thank you! I did pay into Social Security for my teaching years (I was in a different state back then), but I definitely want someone who understands all these special provisions.

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One other thing nobody mentioned - part of your SS can become TAXABLE when your income goes up too!!! So the IRMAA isnt the only hit they might be taking!!!

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Oh no, I didn't even think about the tax implications. I'll have to ask if they noticed a difference when filing taxes too. This is getting complicated fast!

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Quick follow-up on tax implications: Up to 85% of Social Security benefits can become taxable when provisional income exceeds certain thresholds. Provisional income = Adjusted Gross Income + 50% of SS benefits + tax-exempt interest. For single filers: - Below $25,000: No tax on SS - $25,000-$34,000: Up to 50% taxable - Above $34,000: Up to 85% taxable For joint filers, thresholds are $32,000 and $44,000. So yes, selling large assets can create a double whammy - higher Medicare premiums AND more of their Social Security becoming taxable. Careful planning across multiple tax years is really important.

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Great explanation. Just to clarify - when we talk about "85% of benefits being taxable," that doesn't mean 85% is taken away. It means up to 85% of the benefit amount gets added to taxable income, then taxed at their normal tax rate. Also worth noting is that these income thresholds for SS taxation have never been adjusted for inflation since they were set in the 1980s and 1990s, so they affect many more retirees now than originally intended.

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My husband just went through this. No special form but make sure to read carefully! There's a difference between WEP (affects YOUR benefits if you get a non-covered pension) and GPO (affects SPOUSAL/SURVIVOR benefits if you get a non-covered pension). Different rules apply to each one!

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This is an excellent point. WEP and GPO are frequently confused: - WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) reduces your OWN retirement benefit if you receive a pension from non-covered work - GPO (Government Pension Offset) reduces any SPOUSAL or SURVIVOR benefits you might be eligible for by 2/3 of your government pension amount Some people are affected by both provisions, while others might only be subject to one or the other depending on their specific situation.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful information! I'm going to: 1) Check my earnings record for accuracy, 2) Complete the SSA-150 form to get an estimate with WEP calculated, 3) Be extremely clear about my pension when I apply for benefits, and 4) Keep documentation of everything. It sounds like there's no separate WEP application, but I need to make sure I answer all pension questions accurately on the regular retirement application. I'll also use Claimyr to talk to a representative before I file to double-check everything. This has been really helpful!

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Great plan. One more tip: print out the Social Security Handbook section on WEP (Section 724) and bring it with you if you do an in-person appointment. Sometimes the field office staff aren't as familiar with WEP calculations as they should be. Having the official rules handy can help ensure you get accurate information.

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Wait I'm confused... You said your son gets benefits but then said daughter... which one is it?

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Sorry for the confusion. I have a daughter who receives the survivor benefits. I was typing quickly and mixed up the details. Thanks for catching that.

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One other thing to keep in mind - if you start receiving survivor benefits now and then find a new job, you'll need to be careful about the earnings test if you're working before your FRA. But since you mentioned you're 67 already, the earnings test no longer applies to you! You can earn any amount without reduction of benefits. That's another reason why taking survivor benefits now while continuing your job search could be advantageous.

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That's a huge relief! I was worried about the earnings test because I've heard about benefit reductions if you work. I didn't realize that once you hit FRA, that no longer applies. So if I find a new job after starting survivor benefits, I can keep everything? That's really good to know.

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Just to add one point to all this good advice - since you've continued working, your benefit amount might actually be higher than what it would have been at exactly age 70. Social Security recalculates your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) annually if you have new earnings that might increase your benefit. So when you apply, you'll get the maximum DRCs (Delayed Retirement Credits) plus any increase from recent higher earnings years replacing lower earning years in your calculation.

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I was able to get through to SSA finally! The agent confirmed I'll only get 6 months of retroactive benefits, so I've definitely lost some money by waiting. But at least I'm getting it sorted now. The agent mentioned my benefit amount is a bit higher than it would have been at exactly 70 due to my extra work years, just like someone mentioned here. Still mad at myself for not knowing about this sooner though!

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glad u got through! better late than never right?? at least ur getting those 6 months back

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hey does anyone know how long her grandkids can keep gettin there benifits? my neice is turning 18 soon and i'm worried about her payments stopping

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Generally, children can receive survivor benefits until they turn 18, or 19 if they're still attending high school full-time. If a child is disabled before age 22, they may qualify for benefits indefinitely. Your niece should receive a notice a few months before benefits are scheduled to end, and if she's still in high school, she should complete the form they send to extend benefits until graduation or age 19, whichever comes first.

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Thank you all so much for the helpful responses! I just talked to my niece and she's so relieved to know that her applying won't hurt the kids' benefits. She's going to look into that Child-in-Care benefit that was mentioned and will try using that Claimyr service to get through to SSA since she's been trying to call for weeks. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to share your knowledge and experiences!

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Glad we could help! Just as a final point - make sure she asks about potentially claiming on her ex-spouse or deceased spouse's record too if she was married for at least 10 years. Sometimes that provides a higher benefit than her own record, especially if she had those 10 years out of the workforce.

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Does anyone know if they'll stop payments automatically once the funeral home reports the death? My uncle passed last week and we're worried about the overpayment issue too.

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They should stop automatically once the death is reported, but it's best to follow up. If an overpayment occurs, they'll send a notice to the address they have on file. Be sure to check your uncle's mail or set up forwarding.

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Update: I finally got through to SSA yesterday. They confirmed what everyone here said - the $255 death benefit isn't available if there's no surviving spouse or dependent child. They also told me they already had record of my dad's death from the funeral home's report, so that's one less thing to worry about. The representative helped me verify that his final payment will be returned automatically by the bank. Thanks everyone for your help and advice during this difficult time.

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Glad you got confirmation! One less thing to worry about. It's unfortunate about the death benefit, but at least you don't have to deal with returning payments.

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To answer your question about applying for both SSDI and early retirement simultaneously - yes, this is possible and sometimes recommended. It's called "concurrent filing." Here's how it works: 1. File for both SSDI and reduced early retirement benefits 2. Collect the reduced retirement benefits while waiting for SSDI decision 3. If SSDI is approved, benefits will be adjusted to the higher SSDI rate The advantage is getting some income during the potentially long SSDI determination process. The main downside is paperwork complexity. Also, if the SSDI claim is eventually denied, he'll be permanently locked into the reduced early retirement benefit rate. Given his documented bipolar diagnosis and current hospitalization, he likely has a stronger SSDI case than many applicants, but approval is never guaranteed.

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This is incredibly helpful information. I'll pass this along to his kids so they can look into concurrent filing. Thank you for explaining it so clearly!

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When I called Claimyr to get connected to Social Security for my situation, the agent I spoke to mentioned that hospital social workers can help file something called a "dire need" request to expedite SSDI processing. Has anyone done this successfully? Might be worth asking about given the hospitalization.

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YES! We did this for my sister and it helped speed things up. You need to specifically state he's at risk of losing housing/basic necessities without income. The hospitalization itself doesn't automatically qualify as dire need, but the financial hardship it creates might. Have his kids document all his expenses and lost income to prove the dire need situation.

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