Will my niece's retirement application affect her grandkids' Social Security survivor benefits?
Hello everyone, need some guidance on how SS retirement and survivor benefits interact. My niece is 64 and has been raising her grandchildren after their parents passed away. The kids currently receive Social Security survivor benefits. She's thinking about applying for her own retirement benefits, but she's worried about how this might affect the kids' benefits. She hasn't worked in about 10 years because she's been a full-time caregiver for these children. Her estimated benefit would only be around $1,240 per month. Will her applying for her own benefits cause the grandkids to lose their survivor benefits? Does anyone have experience with this situation? The last thing she wants is to mess up the children's benefits just to get her own small amount.
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Zoe Papadakis
Your niece can rest easy! Her applying for her own retirement benefits will NOT affect the grandchildren's survivor benefits. They are two completely separate entitlements. Survivor benefits for the grandchildren are based on the deceased parent's work record, while her retirement benefits are based on her own work history. The children can continue receiving their survivor benefits regardless of what she does with her own retirement application.
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Andre Rousseau
•Thank you so much for clarifying! She's been so worried about this. So to be clear, even after she starts receiving her own SS checks, the kids will still get their full survivor amount?
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Jamal Carter
i was in smiliar situation whn my sister passed and i got custody of her kids. applyng for ur own benfits dosnt effect wat the kids get at all. they keep gettin survivor benifits based on there parents record not ur nieces
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Andre Rousseau
•That's such a relief to hear from someone who's been through it. My niece will be so happy to know this. She was worried she'd have to choose between her benefits or theirs.
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AstroAdventurer
While the previous responses are correct that her retirement won't affect their survivor benefits, your niece should be aware of the family maximum limit that might apply if she's also receiving benefits as the children's representative payee. There's a maximum total amount that can be paid on a single deceased person's record. But her OWN retirement is completely separate and won't count toward that family maximum. Also, if she's not yet Full Retirement Age (which would be 66 and 4 months for someone age 64), her benefit amount will be permanently reduced. She might want to consider waiting until her FRA if her financial situation allows.
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Jamal Carter
•good point about age! i didnt think of that part. definitly worth waiting til FRA if she can afford it!!!
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Mei Liu
I had SO MANY PROBLEMS trying to get this same information from Social Security last year for my cousin's situation. Called for WEEKS and couldn't get through. Finally I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real SSA agent in about 15 minutes! They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent confirmed exactly what others here said - the kids' survivor benefits are completely separate from your niece's retirement benefits. They told me my cousin could safely apply for her retirement without affecting the kids' benefits at all.
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Andre Rousseau
•Thanks for sharing this! My niece has been trying to get through to SSA with no luck. I'll definitely pass along this information to her.
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Liam O'Sullivan
my grandkids get ssa too but its SSI not survivors. does this same rule apply for SSI too??? anyone know??
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Zoe Papadakis
•No, SSI is very different from survivor benefits. SSI is need-based and household income DOES affect eligibility and payment amounts. If your grandchildren receive SSI (Supplemental Security Income), then your income and resources would be considered in determining their eligibility and payment amount if they live with you. Survivor benefits are not means-tested like SSI.
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Amara Chukwu
I need to add an important point that nobody's mentioned yet. If your niece is considering applying for retirement at 64, she should be aware of the following: 1. Filing at 64 means a permanent reduction of about 13.3% from her full benefit amount 2. If she's still providing care for minor or disabled grandchildren, she might actually qualify for different benefits as the children's caregiver 3. She should ask about the "Child-in-Care" benefits if the grandchildren are under 16 or disabled I strongly recommend she schedule an appointment with SSA to review ALL possible options before making a decision. Sometimes there are better filing strategies available than just taking early retirement.
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Andre Rousseau
•This is really helpful! I don't think she knew about the Child-in-Care option. The youngest grandchild is 14, so that might apply. I'll definitely tell her to ask about this specifically.
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Giovanni Conti
The SSA is USELESS when it comes to explaining these rules!!! My brother-in-law lost out on THOUSANDS because they didn't tell him about all his options when his wife died leaving him with kids. They just sign you up for whatever you ask for without explaining if there's a better option. MAKE SURE your niece talks to someone who understands ALL the rules, not just some random claims representative who doesn't care.
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AstroAdventurer
•This is unfortunately very true. SSA representatives aren't always trained to provide comprehensive benefit planning. They process what you ask for, but they don't necessarily tell you what the optimal strategy would be. That's why it's so important to do independent research or even consult with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security benefits before making decisions.
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Jamal Carter
hey does anyone know how long her grandkids can keep gettin there benifits? my neice is turning 18 soon and i'm worried about her payments stopping
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Zoe Papadakis
•Generally, children can receive survivor benefits until they turn 18, or 19 if they're still attending high school full-time. If a child is disabled before age 22, they may qualify for benefits indefinitely. Your niece should receive a notice a few months before benefits are scheduled to end, and if she's still in high school, she should complete the form they send to extend benefits until graduation or age 19, whichever comes first.
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Andre Rousseau
Thank you all so much for the helpful responses! I just talked to my niece and she's so relieved to know that her applying won't hurt the kids' benefits. She's going to look into that Child-in-Care benefit that was mentioned and will try using that Claimyr service to get through to SSA since she's been trying to call for weeks. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to share your knowledge and experiences!
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Amara Chukwu
•Glad we could help! Just as a final point - make sure she asks about potentially claiming on her ex-spouse or deceased spouse's record too if she was married for at least 10 years. Sometimes that provides a higher benefit than her own record, especially if she had those 10 years out of the workforce.
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