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Summer Green

Can my kids get Social Security survivor benefits if my wife never qualified for SS on her own?

I'm trying to understand Social Security survivor benefits for my family's future planning. My wife has been a stay-at-home mom for most of our marriage and hasn't accumulated the 40 credits needed to qualify for SS retirement benefits on her own record. This has me worried about what would happen to our three children (currently 7, 10, and 12) if she were to pass away. Would our kids still be eligible for survivor benefits even though she doesn't qualify for SS herself? And would I be eligible for any child-in-care benefits as the surviving parent? I've read conflicting information online and the SSA website isn't clear about this specific situation. Anyone know the rules on this?

Gael Robinson

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You need to understand that survivor benefits come from the deceased person's earning record. Since your wife hasn't earned enough credits (40 quarters/10 years of work) to qualify for retirement benefits, there would be no survivor benefits available from her record - neither for the children nor for you as a surviving spouse with children in care. Survivor benefits can only be paid based on a work record that would qualify for benefits.

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Summer Green

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That's what I was afraid of. So there's no safety net at all for the children if a stay-at-home parent passes away? That seems to penalize families where one parent stays home with the kids.

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I think you're getting confused between different benefit types! Your wife doesn't need credits for your kids to get benefits if YOU die. They'd get survivor benefits on YOUR record as long as you're fully insured. But if SHE dies, and she has no work credits, then no - there's no benefits available from her record because she never paid into the system.

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Summer Green

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Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I understand they'd get benefits if I die since I have a full work record. I was specifically wondering about the scenario if my wife passes away, since she's their primary caregiver. Seems unfair that the system doesn't recognize the value of stay-at-home parents.

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Darcy Moore

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Just to add a bit more context: Social Security is fundamentally an earned benefit insurance program. Benefits are only payable based on work records where FICA taxes were paid. The system isn't designed to recognize unpaid caregiving work, which is one of its limitations. However, your wife may qualify for spousal benefits on YOUR record when she reaches retirement age (50% of your FRA amount), but that doesn't create survivor benefits from her record.

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Dana Doyle

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The previous responses are correct. If your wife passes away without having earned 40 credits, there would be no survivor benefits available to your children from her record, nor would you be eligible for child-in-care benefits as the surviving parent. However, it's worth noting that if YOU were to pass away, your children would be eligible for survivor benefits on YOUR record until they turn 18 (or 19 if still in high school), and your wife would be eligible for child-in-care benefits until your youngest child turns 16. Each child could receive up to 75% of your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), subject to the family maximum limit, which is typically 150-180% of your PIA.

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Liam Duke

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so what your saying is that stay-at-home moms are PUNISHED by the system?? my wife stayed home with our kids for 15 years and your telling me if she died our kids would get NOTHING? thats messed up!

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Dana Doyle

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I understand your frustration. The system is designed around paid work contributions, which unfortunately doesn't recognize the economic value of unpaid caregiving. It's not punitive by design, but it does create these gaps in protection. There have been policy proposals over the years to provide caregiving credits, but none have been implemented in the US system yet.

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Manny Lark

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I'm in a similar situation and called the SSA about this last month. After waiting on hold for THREE HOURS, they confirmed what others are saying - if your wife hasn't earned enough credits, there's no survivor benefits from her record. It's really frustrating!

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Rita Jacobs

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Manny Lark

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Thanks for the tip! I'll check that out next time I need to call them. Those hold times are brutal.

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Darcy Moore

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: While your wife may not have enough credits for survivor benefits, it's worth checking if she has ANY credits at all. If she worked part-time before becoming a stay-at-home parent, she might have earned some credits. If she has at least 6 credits (1.5 years of work), and she becomes disabled before she dies, your children could potentially qualify for disabled worker's child benefits on her record. The requirements for disability benefits are different than retirement - you don't always need 40 credits. Also, if your income is on the higher side, it might be worth looking into term life insurance as an alternative way to provide for your children if either parent passes away.

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Summer Green

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This is really helpful information. She does have about 3 years of full-time work before our first child was born, so that would be around 12 credits. I didn't realize the disability requirements were different. We do have some term life insurance, but I should probably review our coverage given this information about Social Security. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Khalid Howes

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Off topic but I want to say I RESPECT you for thinking ahead about this! My brother died last year and his wife had NO IDEA about any of the SS rules and it was a NIGHTMARE figuring it all out while grieving. Being prepared is smart!!!

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Summer Green

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I'm so sorry about your brother. And thank you - I'm trying to be proactive about understanding these things. It's complicated, but I'd rather figure it out now than during a crisis.

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u shud make sure ur wife knows all about YOUR work record since if something happens to YOU she'll need to apply for benefits for the kids on ur record. My husband died 2 yrs ago and I had NO IDEA what I was doing with all the SS paperwork!!!!

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Summer Green

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That's a really good point. I should make a folder with all my Social Security information and make sure she knows where it is and how to apply if something happens to me. I'm sorry about your husband, and I appreciate you sharing your experience.

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Dana Doyle

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One final point that might be helpful for your planning: Since your wife doesn't have her own work record, you might want to maximize your own Social Security earnings base. This would mean trying to have your highest 35 years of earnings be as high as possible, since that's what your potential survivor benefits would be based on. Additionally, if you're looking at overall family financial security, consider whether your wife might return to work part-time when the children are older. Even earning just 40 credits (which can be done with 10 years of even part-time work) would provide her with her own retirement benefit and create potential survivor benefits.

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Summer Green

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That's excellent advice. I hadn't thought about the importance of maximizing my own record for potential survivor benefits. My wife has been considering going back to work part-time when our youngest starts school full-time next year. I'll share with her how important even those part-time credits could be for our family's long-term security.

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GalacticGuru

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This is such an important discussion that highlights a real gap in our social safety net. As someone who works in financial planning, I see this situation frequently. One thing I'd add is that you might want to look into whether your state has any additional survivor benefit programs or whether your employer offers any survivor benefits through group life insurance that could help fill this gap. Also, since your wife has 12 credits from her previous work, she's actually closer to qualifying than many people realize. If she does decide to return to work part-time, she'd only need 28 more credits (about 7 years of earning at least the minimum required - which in 2024 is just $1,730 per quarter). Even working 15-20 hours a week at minimum wage could get her there over time. The key is understanding that Social Security was designed as a foundation, not a complete safety net. Private life insurance and other planning tools become even more critical for families with stay-at-home parents.

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This is really helpful perspective from a financial planning professional! I hadn't thought about checking with my employer about group life insurance survivor benefits - that's a great suggestion. And you're right that breaking down the remaining credits my wife would need (28 more) makes it seem much more achievable than the full 40. Even part-time work could get her there over several years. I appreciate you emphasizing that Social Security is just a foundation - it's making me realize we probably need to beef up our life insurance coverage regardless. Do you have any general rules of thumb for how much life insurance families should carry when one parent doesn't have their own Social Security work record?

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Great question about life insurance amounts! A common rule of thumb is 10-12 times annual income for the primary earner, but for stay-at-home parents, you need to calculate the replacement cost of their services - childcare, household management, transportation, etc. That can easily be $30,000-50,000+ per year depending on your area. I'd suggest getting quotes for term life insurance on both parents and considering the higher amount for the stay-at-home parent since you'd need to pay for all those services they currently provide. Also definitely check if your employer offers spousal coverage through their group plan - it's often much cheaper than individual policies.

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