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this might sound stupid but i thought survivor benefits were only for ppl who never worked? if u were working and getting ssdi on ur own record why would u even qualify for anything from his record?

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Not a stupid question at all! Many people misunderstand this. You can qualify for benefits on your own work record AND be eligible for survivor benefits from your deceased spouse's record. Social Security will pay you the higher of the two amounts, not both combined (with a few specific exceptions). For example, if your own retirement benefit is $1,800/month but your potential survivor benefit would be $2,100/month, you could receive the $2,100 instead. You're always entitled to the higher amount, regardless of whether you worked or not.

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After reading through this thread, I'd like to add one important point: even if it turns out you can't get retroactive payments, you should still pursue this because if your survivor benefit is higher than your current benefit, you can switch to it now and increase your monthly payment going forward. At age 70, that could mean many years of higher benefits. One strategy to consider: when you contact SSA, first ask for an explanation of what your husband's benefit would have been if he had lived to claiming age, with all applicable COLAs. Get that specific number before discussing any retroactive claim issues. This separates the question of "what should I be receiving now" from the more complicated question of "what should I have received in the past.

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That's really smart advice. Focus on getting the correct benefit amount going forward first, then worry about the past payments as a separate issue. I'll definitely take that approach. Thank you!

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Evelyn Xu

She asked her accountant for a recommendation. Be careful though - make sure they're a fiduciary (legally obligated to act in your best interest) and not just someone selling retirement products!

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One more thing to consider - if you're still working, you might want to delay claiming until you fully retire or reach your FRA. Benefits claimed at 62 are reduced by about 30% permanently compared to claiming at 67 (your FRA). However, if you wait until 70, you get an 8% increase for each year after FRA. That's a potential range from 70% of your full benefit (claiming at 62) to 124% (claiming at 70). This is why getting a personalized analysis is so important. For some people, claiming early makes sense; for others, waiting is better. It depends on your health, longevity in your family, other income sources, and immediate financial needs.

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Thank you, this is really helpful! I need to think about this carefully - my mom lived to 92 but I don't have much saved up, so I'm torn between taking it early or trying to maximize. Looks like I need to create that account and see the actual numbers first.

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Just to give you a concrete example with numbers to help with your planning: If your combined income is $65,000 (including half of her SS benefits of $9,000), then you'd be well into the range where 85% of her benefits would be taxable. With a $1,500 monthly benefit: - $1,500 × 12 = $18,000 annual SS benefit - 85% of $18,000 = $15,300 taxable amount - At a 12% federal tax bracket, that's roughly $1,836 in taxes on her benefits for the year - Monthly equivalent: about $153/month in taxes So if she chooses 10% withholding ($150/month), she'd receive $1,350 monthly and be very close to covering the tax liability on the benefits.

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This breakdown is incredibly helpful, thank you! Having the actual dollar amounts and percentages makes it so much clearer. Seems like 10% withholding would be about right for our situation. Really appreciate you taking the time to map this out.

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Don't forget that the $1500 benefit amount on the SSA website assumes you continue working until your FRA with the same income. If she's retiring completely at 62, the actual benefit might be a bit lower than what's estimated. Might be worth checking with SSA directly to get a more accurate figure before you finalize your budget.

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That's a really important point I hadn't considered. She's been working consistently for years but I didn't realize the estimate assumes continued work. Definitely something we need to verify before making final decisions. Thank you!

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I think you all are making this WAY more complicated than it needs to be. Just take the survivor benefits now AND keep working. Then when you hit 70, switch to your own benefit. That way you get the most money overall. My financial advisor told me Social Security is all about getting the most money over your lifetime.

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Zara Khan

Your financial advisor gave you incomplete information. With the OP's income level ($78,720/year), the earnings test would withhold approximately $28,740 of benefits annually if claimed before FRA. Essentially, she wouldn't receive ANY survivor benefits until reaching FRA anyway. So claiming early literally gets her $0 additional dollars while potentially creating administrative headaches. This is why understanding the complete picture matters.

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To summarize the excellent points made here: 1. Due to the earnings test, with your income level, you'd have most or all survivor benefits withheld until you reach FRA anyway 2. Waiting until FRA means you get 100% of your husband's benefit amount versus a reduced amount now 3. You can take survivor benefits at FRA and then switch to your own higher benefit at 70 (this is still allowed) 4. When you eventually collect survivor benefits, they'll be taxed based on your overall income; potentially less tax impact if your income is lower by then Given these factors, waiting until FRA to apply for survivor benefits appears to be the optimal strategy in your specific situation.

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Thank you for this clear summary! This has been incredibly helpful. I'm going to ask specifically about the earnings test during my call tomorrow and confirm that the restricted application for survivor benefits will still allow my own benefit to grow until 70. I really appreciate everyone's input!

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Anybody else think its messed up that people have to jump through all these hoops just to afford medication?? My sister is going through the same mess with her MS meds. This is why I'm terrified of retiring even though my back is killing me from 40 years of construction work...

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its totally messed up!! we spend more time figuring out how to afford meds than actually enjoying retirement. my neighbor went back to work at 72 just to afford his heart medication. the whole system is broken.

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I completely agree. We worked hard our whole lives, paid into the system, and now have to perform financial gymnastics just to afford life-saving medication. It shouldn't be this complicated.

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I wanted to add one more important point: When your husband applies in January 2025, make absolutely sure that on the application he specifies January 2025 as his "benefit start date" even though he's requesting retroactive benefits. This prevents any confusion in the processing center. Also, keep documentation of everything - when you applied, what you requested, etc. If the pharmaceutical program requires income verification during the year, you may need to explain your strategy to them as well.

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That's an excellent tip about specifically requesting January 2025 as the benefit start date. I'll make sure we document everything carefully. Thank you for all your helpful advice!

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