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Social Security earnings limit confusion - do 401k/IRA withdrawals count toward $23,000 penalty threshold?

I'm turning 63 next month and planning to file for Social Security retirement while continuing to work part-time. I understand there's a $23,000 earnings limit for 2025 before they start reducing my benefits, but I'm confused about what exactly counts toward this limit. Do withdrawals from my 401k or IRA count? Or is it strictly W-2 income? Also, does my wife's income affect my earnings limit if she's still working full-time but hasn't filed for her own Social Security yet? Thanks for clearing this up - the SSA website is so confusing on this topic!

I went through the same confusion last year! Also totally unrelated but does anyone know if the earnings limit changes if you're on widow benefits instead of retirement? My sister is dealing with that now after losing her husband.

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The earnings limit works exactly the same way for widow/survivor benefits as it does for retirement benefits. The same $23,000 limit (for 2025) applies if she's under FRA, with the same $1 reduction for every $2 earned above the limit. The only difference is that widow/survivor benefits can start as early as age 60 (versus 62 for retirement), but the earnings limit still applies until she reaches her FRA.

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As a newcomer to this community, I really appreciate all the detailed responses here! I'm in a similar situation at 62 and was totally confused about the earnings limit rules. The clarification that retirement account withdrawals don't count toward the $23,000 limit is incredibly helpful. One follow-up question - I see mention of the limit being different in the year you reach FRA. If my FRA is 67 and I turn 67 in November 2025, does that higher $61,800 limit apply to my entire 2025 earnings, or just from November forward? I'm planning my work schedule for this year and want to make sure I understand the timing correctly. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice that's so hard to find on the official SSA website!

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How long for Social Security retirement application approval? Online vs. phone frustrations

Applied for my SS retirement benefits online 3 weeks ago and still nothing showing in my account except 'processing'. No emails, no letters, nothing. My neighbor said hers was approved within 10 days! Starting to worry something's wrong with my application. How long did it take for others to get approved after applying online? Should I be worried or is this normal? I'm planning to call but everything I read says the wait times are ridiculous. Really don't want to sit on hold for 2 hours just to be told 'keep waiting'...

someone told me that if u keep checking your mysocialsecurity account and clicking on different things it can slow down your application because the system thinks someone might be trying to hack your account. dunno if thats true but i stopped checking mine so much after that

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This is actually a myth. Checking your mySocialSecurity account doesn't affect processing time. The electronic application system is separate from the account portal. You can check your account as often as you like without impacting your claim processing.

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I'm currently waiting on my retirement application too - submitted online about 4 weeks ago. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like 4-6 weeks is pretty normal, though some are taking longer recently. The lack of communication during processing is definitely frustrating! I've been checking my mySocialSecurity account every few days but it just keeps saying "processing" with no other details. Planning to wait until the 6-week mark before attempting to call, since the phone wait times seem brutal. Hang in there - sounds like most people do eventually get their approval, it's just a waiting game unfortunately.

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Confused about Social Security start date - turning 70 in April

I'm about to hit my 70th birthday on April 29th next year and want to make sure I don't mess up my Social Security filing. I've been waiting to maximize my benefits, but now I'm not sure whether to put April 1 or May 1 as my benefit start date. Does anyone know which is correct? Since I was born at the end of April, do benefits start the first day of my birth month or the month after I turn 70? I don't want to leave money on the table after waiting all these years, but I also don't want my application rejected for putting the wrong date.

Just wanted to add that you can actually check your estimated benefit amount at different claiming ages by creating a my Social Security account at ssa.gov. This will show you exactly what your monthly benefit would be at age 70 versus earlier ages, which can help confirm you're making the right decision to wait. The online account also lets you see your complete earnings history to make sure everything is accurate before you file. It's really helpful to have all this information in front of you when you're making such an important decision!

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One more important detail I haven't seen mentioned yet - make sure you understand how Medicare premiums will be handled once you start receiving Social Security benefits. If you're already enrolled in Medicare Part B, those premiums will automatically be deducted from your monthly Social Security payment. This is actually convenient since you don't have to worry about separate billing, but it does mean your net Social Security payment will be lower than the gross amount you see in your benefit estimates. Also, if you have Medicare Part D or a Medicare Advantage plan, those premiums may also be deducted if you set that up. Just something to factor in when you're planning your budget around your new Social Security income. The Medicare.gov website has good information about how this all works together.

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This is such an important point that I hadn't considered! I knew Medicare premiums would be deducted, but I didn't realize it would affect the actual amount I receive each month. That's definitely something I need to factor into my budget planning. Do you happen to know if there's a way to estimate what my net Social Security payment will be after Medicare deductions? I want to make sure I have realistic expectations about my monthly income. Thanks for bringing this up - it's exactly the kind of detail that could catch someone off guard if they're not prepared for it!

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Does 401K contribution count toward Social Security earnings limit when taking SS before FRA?

My wife started collecting Social Security retirement benefits last month at 65 (I know that's before her Full Retirement Age of 67). She still works part-time at a local school district and is trying to stay under the 2025 earnings limit of $23,400. Here's where I'm confused - her employer takes out about $450 per month for her 401K contribution. Does that 401K money count toward the earnings limit? Or is it just her take-home pay that counts? Her W-2 will show the full amount, but since that money goes straight to retirement, I'm wondering if the SSA looks at her gross income or something else when calculating the earnings test. Anyone know how this works?

One additional thing to keep in mind - the SSA does recalculate your benefit amount when you reach Full Retirement Age to give you credit for the months they withheld benefits due to the earnings test. So while your wife may see reduced benefits now if she exceeds the earnings limit, her benefit amount will increase at FRA to account for those reductions. Many people don't realize this adjustment happens automatically.

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Wait really??? I didn't know they adjust it later! I thought that money was just gone forever. That makes me feel better about working more hours.

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Just wanted to add some practical advice based on what I've learned helping my mom navigate this same situation. Since your wife is 65 and her FRA is 67, she has two years where this earnings limit will apply. The key thing is to track her earnings monthly - don't wait until the end of the year! I created a simple spreadsheet for my mom that tracks her gross pay each month against the annual limit ($23,400 for 2025). Also, if she does go over, the SSA typically doesn't catch it until they get her W-2 the following year, so you might not know about any overpayment until 2026. One strategy that worked for us was having her employer reduce her hours in November/December if she was getting close to the limit. School districts are usually pretty flexible about this since they understand the SS earnings test issue with older employees.

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From my experience helping my mom through this, there isn't really a way to get real-time updates from SSA during the year about your earnings status. They work with the information they have from previous years and quarterly wage reports from employers, but there's always a lag. What we did was contact SSA in January after her W-2 was issued to proactively report her earnings and ask if there would be any benefit adjustments. This helped us avoid surprises and gave us a heads up about any overpayments. You could also try calling SSA periodically to update them on projected earnings, but honestly their phone system is so backed up that it's often not worth the hassle. The monthly tracking spreadsheet really is the best defense - just stay conservative and maybe aim to stay $1,000-2,000 under the limit to account for any bonuses or unexpected pay increases.

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Unfortunately, there's no real-time monitoring system from SSA during the year. They typically don't know about your earnings until they receive your W-2 in early the following year. However, you can be proactive by calling SSA around October/November to report your estimated annual earnings if you think you might go over. This gives them a heads up and they can potentially start adjusting benefits before the year ends rather than creating an overpayment situation. Also, keep detailed records of all pay stubs throughout the year - if there's ever a discrepancy, you'll want that documentation. The school district HR should definitely be able to help with hour adjustments since they deal with this regularly with older employees.

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Can I get higher Social Security benefits by marrying at 84? Questions about spousal and survivor benefits after taking early retirement

I'm 84 years old and I'm wondering about marrying at this stage in my life and how it might affect my Social Security benefits. I have two longtime friends who I've known for years, and we've recently been discussing marriage as a practical arrangement. My main question is: if I did get married, how long would I need to be married before I could qualify for Social Security benefits based on their earnings record? And what about survivor benefits if they pass away before me? I was forced to claim my own Social Security early at 62 (back in 2003) due to financial circumstances, so I only receive about $1,000 per month now. Would getting married potentially increase my monthly amount? Both friends have significantly higher benefit amounts than mine from what they've told me. This isn't some predatory scheme - we're all in our 80s and have known each other for decades. We're just trying to make practical decisions at this point in our lives. Any insights about the marriage duration requirements for spousal and survivor benefits would be greatly appreciated.

MY NEIGHBOR JUST DID THIS!!!! She married her friend and got his benefits when he died but she had to fight with SSA for MONTHS because they said it was a "marriage of convenience" or something like that. They investigated her!!! Be careful what you say to them about why you're getting married!!

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This is important to clarify. SSA doesn't technically have a "marriage of convenience" policy that would disqualify someone from benefits. If the marriage is legal, it generally counts for Social Security purposes regardless of the reasons for marrying. The 9-month duration requirement for survivor benefits is primarily what they'll check. However, if fraud is suspected (marriage solely for benefits with no intent to live as spouses), that could potentially be investigated, though it's relatively rare in cases like this.

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Just wanted to add something that might be helpful - if you do decide to get married, make sure you understand how it could affect any other benefits you might be receiving. I learned this the hard way when my grandmother got married in her 80s and it impacted her food stamps and housing assistance because they started counting her new husband's income. Also, since you mentioned this is more of a practical arrangement with longtime friends, you might want to look into whether a legal domestic partnership or civil union would give you some of the same protections without all the Social Security complications. Some states have different options that might work better for your situation. The 9-month marriage requirement for survivor benefits is pretty strict - I've seen cases where someone married in January and their spouse died in September (8 months later) and they got nothing. So timing really matters if that's part of your planning.

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