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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation - just started receiving benefits this year and trying to navigate the IRMAA maze. One thing I wanted to add that might help others: I discovered that your state's SHIP (State Health Insurance Assistance Program) counselors are often really knowledgeable about Medicare and IRMAA calculations. They provide free counseling and many of them understand the connection between Social Security taxation and IRMAA better than the actual SSA representatives. I found my local SHIP counselor through the Medicare.gov website, and she walked me through a mock calculation using my specific numbers. It was incredibly valuable and didn't cost me anything. She also helped me understand that even though the IRMAA lookback seems unfair, there are strategic moves you can make in advance - like the Roth conversion ladders some people mentioned, or timing large expenses in years when you know your income will be higher anyway. For anyone feeling overwhelmed by all this (like I was!), I'd really recommend starting with a SHIP counselor before paying for professional help. They can at least help you understand the basics so you know what questions to ask if you do decide to hire a tax professional later.

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Thank you so much for mentioning SHIP counselors! As someone who's completely new to all of this Medicare stuff, I had no idea that free counseling was even available. I've been stressing about whether I need to pay for professional help right away, but it sounds like SHIP might be a great place to start. I just looked up my state's program and there's actually a local office pretty close to me. I'm going to call them next week to see if they can help me understand my specific situation before I make any IRA withdrawal decisions. It's such a relief to know there are knowledgeable people out there who can walk through these calculations without charging a fee! This whole thread has honestly been a lifesaver. I went from feeling completely lost about IRMAA and Social Security taxation to actually having a plan for how to move forward. The community knowledge here is amazing - way more helpful than anything I found through official channels.

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation and want to share what I learned after months of research and confusion! The key breakthrough for me was understanding that it's not just a simple percentage - the amount of your Social Security that counts toward IRMAA depends on your total income picture. Here's what I wish someone had told me from the start: 1. **The magic numbers for 2024**: If your combined income (AGI + tax-exempt interest + half your SS) is under $25k, none of your SS is taxable. Between $25k-$34k, up to 50% becomes taxable. Over $34k, up to 85% can be taxable. 2. **IRMAA timing is crucial**: They use your tax return from 2 years ago, so 2025 IRMAA is based on your 2023 return. Since you just started receiving benefits this year, your 2023 return probably didn't include SS, which means you have time to plan! 3. **The cliff effect**: IRMAA brackets are harsh - even $1 over the threshold triggers the full surcharge for the entire year. The first bracket for individuals in 2024 is $103,000 MAGI. For your IRA planning, I'd suggest calculating your expected MAGI without the withdrawal first, then see how much room you have before hitting $103k. Don't forget that as your other income increases, more of your SS becomes taxable too - it's not just additive. I ended up working with a CPA who specializes in retirement planning, and it was worth every penny to avoid those surprise Medicare surcharges!

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This is such a clear breakdown - thank you! The "magic numbers" explanation really helps me understand why I was getting different percentages from different sources. It sounds like with my pension, unemployment, and survivor benefits, I'm definitely going to be in that 85% category. Your point about the 2-year lookback is especially important for my situation. Since I just started receiving survivor benefits this year (2024), you're right that my 2023 return wouldn't have included any Social Security. So the IRMAA calculations for 2025 Medicare premiums will be based on 2023 when I didn't have SS benefits yet. That gives me some breathing room to plan for 2024 income knowing it won't affect my Medicare costs until 2026. The cliff effect you mentioned is exactly what I'm trying to avoid. Even crossing that $103k threshold by just a few dollars would cost me way more in extra premiums than the small additional withdrawal would be worth. I think I'll follow your advice and calculate my baseline MAGI first, then work backward from that $103k limit to figure out my safe withdrawal amount. Did your CPA have any specific tools or software they used for modeling different scenarios, or was it more about their expertise in understanding all the interactions between different income sources?

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This thread is absolutely phenomenal! I'm currently 8 weeks into waiting for my SSI application to process and was getting completely discouraged by the phone system until I found this goldmine of strategies. I tried the 8 AM calling approach this morning after reading everyone's success stories, and it actually worked! Got through in about 20 minutes, which felt like a miracle compared to my previous attempts. The agent was able to tell me that my application was held up because they needed verification of my housing costs - something that would have taken months to figure out if I'd just kept waiting. One tip I'd add for SSI applicants specifically - have your lease agreement, utility bills, and any rent receipts ready when you call. The agent was able to walk me through uploading these documents directly while we were on the phone, which should move my case forward much faster. Also wanted to echo what others said about asking to speak with a Technical Expert if the first agent can't help. The initial person I reached transferred me to someone who had much more detailed access to my case file and could actually explain what was happening instead of just reading generic status updates. Thank you to everyone who shared their real experiences here - this community has been more helpful than months of trying to navigate the official channels!

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Congratulations on finally getting through! Your success story is so encouraging - 20 minutes versus the hours of failed attempts you had before really shows how much the timing strategy matters. And what a relief that you were able to identify the actual issue (housing cost verification) instead of just wondering what was wrong for months. The tip about having lease agreements and utility bills ready for SSI applications is really valuable. It sounds like being able to upload those documents during the call saved you weeks of back-and-forth delays. That's exactly the kind of specific preparation advice that makes such a difference but isn't mentioned anywhere in the official guidance. Your experience with the Technical Expert transfer is another great confirmation of how important it is to ask for that escalation. The difference between generic status updates and someone who can actually explain what's happening and help resolve issues is huge. Thanks for sharing your success and adding SSI-specific tips to this incredible collection of strategies - hopefully your experience will help other people in similar situations!

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This thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! I'm currently dealing with a similar situation - applied for retirement benefits about 7 weeks ago and have been completely stuck trying to reach anyone at SSA. The phone system just hangs up on me every time I call. Reading through all these strategies has given me so much hope and a real action plan. I'm definitely going to try the 8 AM calling strategy first thing tomorrow morning, and I love the tip about asking specifically for Technical Experts if the first agent can't help. The suggestion about asking "Can you see any internal notes about what's holding up my application?" instead of just asking for a generic status update is brilliant too. I also wanted to thank everyone for sharing what actually works versus just complaining about the system. Having specific tactics like leading with urgency, having all documents ready, and even practical tips like using Do Not Disturb mode makes this feel so much more manageable. This community has been way more helpful than anything I could find on the official SSA website! I'll definitely report back on how the early morning strategy works for me. Fingers crossed I can be another success story to add to this amazing collection of real-world solutions!

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Good luck with the 8 AM strategy tomorrow, Miguel! Based on all the success stories in this thread, you're setting yourself up for the best possible chance of getting through. I love how you're going in with a complete game plan - the early timing + Technical Expert request + specific questions about internal notes really seems to be the winning combination. Seven weeks is definitely long enough to warrant following up, especially if your benefits are supposed to start soon. Make sure to mention your timeline right upfront when you reach an agent - that urgency seems to help prioritize cases based on what others have shared. This thread really has become an amazing resource! It's so refreshing to see a community actually solving problems together instead of just venting about them. Definitely come back and let us know how it goes - more success stories just add to the evidence that these strategies actually work. Rooting for you to get some real answers tomorrow!

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This thread has been absolutely invaluable for understanding the DAC application process! As a newcomer who just discovered this community, I'm amazed by how much practical knowledge everyone has shared. I'm 61 and planning to file for early retirement next year, with a 25-year-old son who has been on SSI since age 18 due to severe epilepsy. Reading through all these experiences has helped me realize there are so many aspects of this transition I hadn't considered - especially the family maximum calculations and the potential Medicaid coverage gaps. The advice about gathering documentation early really resonates with me. My son has been seeing the same neurologist since he was 16, and we have comprehensive seizure logs and medication records that should clearly establish his disability timeline. I'm also going to request his high school IEP records based on the suggestions here. One quick question for this knowledgeable group: has anyone dealt with DAC applications where the adult child's disability is episodic like epilepsy? I'm wondering if SSA requires additional documentation about seizure frequency and control, or if the existing disability determination from his SSI application will be sufficient for establishing the DAC eligibility. Thank you all for creating such a supportive and informative community - the guidance here is far more detailed and practical than anything I've found through official channels!

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Welcome to the community, Miguel! Your question about episodic disabilities like epilepsy is really important. From what I've seen in my work with families, SSA typically relies heavily on the existing disability determination from your son's SSI application for the DAC eligibility - they're not usually looking to re-evaluate whether he meets their disability criteria since that's already been established. However, the seizure logs and medication records you mentioned will be incredibly valuable for establishing the timeline of when his epilepsy became disabling. Make sure to include documentation showing when his seizures became frequent enough or severe enough to significantly impact his ability to work or function independently - this helps establish the pre-22 onset requirement. Your neurologist's records from age 16 onward sound perfect for this purpose, especially if they document the progression of his condition and any periods where seizure control was poor despite medication compliance. School records showing accommodations for his epilepsy during high school would also be really helpful. One thing specific to epilepsy cases - if your son ever had any seizure-related injuries or hospitalizations, make sure to include those records too. They provide concrete evidence of the severity and impact of his condition during the relevant time period. The comprehensive documentation you're already planning to gather should put you in a really strong position for the application. Good luck with the process!

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Welcome to the community! This thread has been incredibly educational for me as well. I'm 59 and planning to file for retirement benefits when I turn 62 next year, and I have a 28-year-old daughter with autism who's been receiving SSI since she was 19. Reading through everyone's experiences has really opened my eyes to how complex the DAC application process can be, but also how beneficial it could be for our children. The detailed explanations about family maximum calculations and the various documentation strategies have been invaluable. One thing I wanted to add that might help other newcomers: I've been keeping a detailed folder of all my daughter's medical and educational records for years, not necessarily thinking about future benefit applications, but just as a general practice. After reading this thread, I realize how much this organizational habit is going to help when we start the DAC application process. For parents of younger disabled children who might be reading this, I'd strongly recommend starting that documentation organization early - even if retirement and DAC benefits seem far away, having everything chronologically organized and easily accessible makes such a difference. The community knowledge shared here is truly remarkable. Thank you all for taking the time to share your experiences and guidance - it's making what seemed like an overwhelming process feel much more manageable!

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Isabella, your advice about organizing documentation early is so valuable! I wish I had started that kind of systematic record-keeping years ago. I'm just beginning to gather everything for my upcoming DAC application, and it's been quite overwhelming trying to track down records from multiple providers over the past decade. Your point about this being helpful for parents of younger disabled children is really important too. Even though DAC benefits might seem like a distant consideration, having that organized timeline could be useful for so many other purposes - IEP meetings, medical appointments, transitioning between providers, or even other benefit applications. I'm curious - when you've been organizing your daughter's records, have you found any particular system that works well? I'm trying to figure out the best way to categorize everything (chronologically vs. by provider vs. by type of record) as I start pulling together our documentation. Given how much emphasis everyone has placed on having comprehensive records for the pre-22 onset requirement, I want to make sure I'm organizing things in a way that will be most helpful for the SSA review process. Thank you for sharing that practical tip - it's exactly the kind of forward-thinking advice that could save other families a lot of stress down the road!

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As a newcomer to this community, I've been reading through this entire discussion and it's been incredibly enlightening! I'm also dealing with WEP reduction as a federal retiree (worked for a different agency for 24 years, retired in 2020). What I find most valuable about this conversation is the mix of realistic expectations about HR 82's legislative challenges alongside practical advice for understanding our individual situations. I especially appreciate the specific tips about calling SSA on Tuesday mornings around 8:30 AM Eastern and checking for the WEP Fact Sheet on our Social Security statements. Like many of you, I've been following various versions of this bill for years with cautious optimism. The $196 billion cost estimate and Senate hurdles are real obstacles, but having over 300 House co-sponsors is still the most momentum I've seen. What's really helped me is this community's emphasis on getting personalized information rather than relying on general estimates or coworker rumors. I'm planning to use the WEP calculator tool mentioned here and then call SSA to verify my specific situation. Thank you all for creating such an informative and supportive space for navigating these complex issues - it makes a huge difference to know we're not dealing with this confusion alone!

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Welcome to the community, Chloe! As another newcomer here, I completely agree that this discussion has been incredibly valuable - much more informative than anything I've found elsewhere about WEP and HR 82. I'm also a federal retiree (different agency, 22 years, retired in 2022) and have been struggling with the same confusion about how this all affects my Social Security benefits. What really stands out to me is how this community balances realistic expectations with practical action steps. The Tuesday morning calling strategy and emphasis on getting personalized calculations rather than relying on rumors has been game-changing information for me. I'm also planning to use that WEP calculator tool before calling SSA - it sounds like having some baseline understanding makes those conversations much more productive. Like everyone else here, I'm cautiously optimistic about HR 82 but trying not to count on it. Either way, the knowledge and support in this community is invaluable for navigating these complex benefit issues. Thank you for adding your voice to this discussion!

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As a newcomer to this community, I've been reading through this entire discussion with great interest since I'm also a federal retiree dealing with WEP reductions on my Social Security benefits. I worked for a different government agency for 29 years and retired in 2022, and like many of you, I've been trying to understand what HR 82 would actually mean for my specific situation. What I find most valuable about this conversation is the combination of realistic legislative analysis alongside practical steps we can take to better understand our individual circumstances. The tips about calling SSA on Tuesday mornings around 8:30 AM Eastern, checking for both reduced and unreduced amounts on our Social Security statements, and using the WEP calculator tool are incredibly helpful resources I hadn't found elsewhere. I'm particularly struck by how many different scenarios are represented here - CSRS vs FERS employees, different start dates, varying years of substantial earnings - yet we're all dealing with the fundamental challenge of reduced benefits due to WEP. Like everyone else, I'm cautiously optimistic about HR 82 given the unprecedented House support, but the $196 billion cost estimate and Senate hurdles make me realistic about the actual chances of passage. Regardless of whether this bill passes, I'm grateful to have found this community where we can share knowledge and support each other through this complex process. I'm planning to call SSA next week using the strategies mentioned here to finally get clear answers about my WEP calculation. Thank you all for creating such an informative and supportive discussion!

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Going back to the original question - here's a simple example to make it crystal clear: Let's say your gross SS benefit is $2,000/month and Medicare Part B premium is $170/month. Your net check is $1,830. If COLA is 3%, the increase is calculated on the $2,000, giving you a $60 increase (to $2,060). If Medicare then increases by $15 (to $185), your new net check would be $1,875 ($2,060 - $185). So even though you got a full 3% COLA ($60), your actual check only increased by $45 because of the Medicare premium increase. This is why many beneficiaries feel like they don't get the full COLA - other costs are rising simultaneously.

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Thank you for breaking it down with actual numbers! This makes it very clear. I've been on Social Security for 3 years now and always wondered why my increase never seemed to match the percentage they announced on the news.

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Just wanted to add that you can also check your exact COLA calculation by looking at your Social Security Statement online at ssa.gov/myaccount. It shows your benefit history and how each year's COLA was applied to your base amount. This helped me understand exactly how much my gross benefit increased versus what my net payment became after Medicare and other deductions. It's really helpful for budget planning since you can see the pattern of how COLA and Medicare premium changes have affected your payments over time.

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That's a great tip about checking the online statement! I'm still pretty new to navigating all the Social Security resources online. Is there anything specific I should look for on the statement to understand the COLA calculations better? I want to make sure I'm interpreting the numbers correctly when I review my account.

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