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Ruby Garcia

Social Security earnings limit confusion - does 401k interest count toward $23,400 limit when working part-time?

I'm turning 66 next February but planning to file for Social Security in April 2025 (still before my FRA of 67). I've been at my company for 32 years and finally decided it's time for a change, though I'm planning to pick up some consulting work to stay active - maybe 15-20 hours weekly. I understand there's an annual earnings limit of $23,400 for 2025 since I'll be claiming before my full retirement age. My question is about my 401k though - I'm planning to take monthly distributions from my 401k interest/earnings rather than touching the principal. Does the SSA count these 401k distributions as "earnings" toward that $23,400 limit? Additionally, if I accidentally go over the limit in my consulting work, how exactly does the penalty work? I've heard they withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 over the limit, but do they take it all at once or spread it out? Thanks for any help!

Good news! The earnings limit only applies to wages or self-employment income. Your 401k distributions (whether interest, earnings, or principal) do NOT count toward the $23,400 earnings limit. The SSA only cares about actual work income when applying the earnings test. You're correct about the penalty - they withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above the limit. If you do exceed the limit, SSA typically doesn't spread it out - they'll withhold full monthly payments starting in January of the following year until they've recovered the appropriate amount. One thing to consider - if you'll reach your full retirement age in 2026, the earnings limit is much higher for the months of 2026 before your birthday, and then disappears completely once you hit FRA.

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Ruby Garcia

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That's a huge relief about the 401k distributions! I was worried I'd have to calculate the exact interest vs principal on each withdrawal. What about dividends from stocks in my brokerage account? Are those counted toward the earnings limit too?

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did u call social security to ask them directly? i waited 2 hours on hold last month trying to get a straight answer about my wifes benefits and then got disconnected. TWICE! these gov people dont care about our time

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I had the same experience trying to sort out an overpayment issue. After weeks of trying to get through, I finally found a service called Claimyr that got me through to an SSA rep in under 20 minutes. You can check it out at claimyr.com - they have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Saved me hours of frustration and I actually got my overpayment issue resolved. Might help with getting a definitive answer about the 401k question too.

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Maya Lewis

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I'm in almost the exact situation as you!! I started drawing my SS at 64 last year and do consulting part time. My financial advisor told me that 401k distributions DON'T count as earnings. Only your W-2 or 1099 income counts towards the earnings test limit. But be careful! Keep track of your consulting income and don't go over. I went over by about $4,000 last year by accident (took on an extra project in December) and they're withholding 2 full months of benefits this year to make up for it. It stinks because they don't just take a little each month - they take FULL months until they recover what you owe.

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Isaac Wright

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wait I thought if you make too much money they just make you pay back EVERYTHING you got from Social Security that year????? this is so confusing. The SSA website is impossible to understand and every time I call I get different answers!!

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To answer your follow-up question: Dividends, interest, capital gains, pension payments, annuities, IRA distributions, and 401k withdrawals all DO NOT count toward the earnings limit. It's only earned income (wages or self-employment) that counts. And to clear up some confusion in other comments - no, you don't have to pay back EVERYTHING if you exceed the limit. The reduction is $1 for every $2 you go over. So if you exceed the limit by $5,000, they'd withhold $2,500 in benefits. Also worth noting: If 2025 is the first year you receive benefits, SSA uses a monthly earnings test rather than annual for that first year. So you could earn more than the annual limit before you start collecting and it wouldn't affect your benefits.

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but they dont tell u when ur going over!!! my neighbor got a letter 8 MONTHS later saying he owed $7k back to ssa because his part time job paid him too much. system is broken

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Lucy Taylor

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Im retired and draw SS and the only thing i know is my 401k money doesnt count for the limit. I withdraw every month and they never took away any SS money. Only when i worked at home depot for a while did i have to watch my income. hope that helps

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Connor Murphy

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Not to get off track but since we're talking about retirement income, has anyone had problems with their COLA increase this year? Mine was supposed to be 3.2% but my check only went up by like 2.1% when I calculated it. Been trying to reach someone at SSA for weeks with no luck!

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Ruby Garcia

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Thanks everyone for the great information about the 401k distributions! Really helpful. @profile8 - I haven't started receiving benefits yet, but I hope you get your COLA issue resolved.

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Maya Lewis

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One more thing I forgot to mention - when you do start claiming, make sure you set aside some money for taxes! Depending on your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits), up to 85% of your benefits could be taxable. Most people don't realize this until tax time and get a nasty surprise. I now have federal taxes withheld directly from my SS payment (you can request this on the SSA website) to avoid a big bill in April.

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Isaac Wright

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WHAT??!! They tax Social Security too??? I thought that was OUR money that WE already paid taxes on!! This country is just determined to take everything from seniors. It's DISGUSTING.

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Let me clear up a few points about the retirement earnings test: 1. For anyone under FRA for the entire year 2025, the limit is $23,400 2. In the year you reach FRA, the limit is $62,640 ONLY for the months BEFORE the month you reach FRA 3. Starting the month you reach FRA, there is NO limit on earnings Regarding withholding: SSA estimates your earnings for the year. If you expect to exceed the limit, they'll withhold benefits proactively. Otherwise, they'll reconcile after the fact when tax data is available, which can result in unexpected overpayments. And yes, absolutely confirmed that 401(k) distributions, regardless of whether they're from interest, earnings, or principal, do NOT count toward the earnings test limit.

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Ruby Garcia

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the detailed breakdown! So since my FRA is 67 (born in 1959), and I'm claiming at 66, I'll be under the $23,400 limit for all of 2025, then switch to the higher limit for the months in 2026 before my birthday, then no limit after. Perfect!

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Oliver Weber

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Just wanted to add my experience as someone who went through this exact situation two years ago. I filed for SS at 65 while still doing freelance work, and I can confirm that 401k distributions absolutely do NOT count toward the earnings limit - only your actual work income does. One tip I learned the hard way: keep really good records of your consulting income throughout the year. I use a simple spreadsheet to track each payment and running total so I know exactly where I stand. When I got close to the limit in November, I was able to turn down a project to stay under rather than deal with the benefit withholding. Also, don't forget that if you're doing consulting work, you'll likely need to pay quarterly estimated taxes on that income since there's no employer withholding. Something to factor into your planning!

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NebulaNova

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That's such practical advice about keeping detailed records! I'm definitely going to set up a spreadsheet to track my consulting income as I get started. The quarterly tax payments tip is really helpful too - I hadn't thought about that aspect yet. It sounds like you've navigated this transition really well. Did you find any particular resources or tools that helped you estimate what your quarterly payments should be?

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through this exact scenario! I started collecting SS at 65 while doing part-time contract work, and I can absolutely confirm that 401k distributions don't count toward the earnings limit. I take monthly distributions from mine and have never had any issues with SSA. One thing that really helped me was calling SSA early in the year to report my expected earnings from consulting work. They can set up voluntary withholding if you think you might go over the limit, which saves you from the surprise of having full months withheld later. Much better to have them take a little each month than lose 2-3 full payments the following year. Also worth mentioning - make sure you understand the difference between gross and net earnings if you're self-employed. The earnings test uses your net self-employment income (after business expenses), not your gross receipts. So keep track of all your legitimate business expenses!

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Jamal Carter

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This is really valuable information! I hadn't thought about calling SSA proactively to set up voluntary withholding - that sounds much better than dealing with surprise benefit reductions later. The point about net vs gross earnings for self-employment is particularly helpful since I'll be doing consulting work. I'll make sure to track all my business expenses carefully. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience navigating this!

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Debra Bai

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As someone new to this community, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for such detailed and helpful responses! I'm not quite at retirement age yet but I'm starting to plan ahead, and this conversation has been incredibly educational. The clarification that 401k distributions don't count toward the earnings limit is huge - I had been assuming all retirement income would count. And the practical tips about tracking consulting income with spreadsheets, setting up voluntary withholding with SSA, and keeping detailed business expense records are exactly the kind of real-world advice you can't find in the official publications. It's also reassuring to see people who have successfully navigated this transition sharing their experiences. The Social Security system can seem so complex and intimidating, but hearing from folks who've actually been through it makes it feel much more manageable. Thanks again to this community for being such a valuable resource!

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GalacticGuru

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Welcome to the community! I'm also relatively new here and have found this discussion incredibly helpful as I approach my own retirement planning. It's amazing how much practical knowledge exists in forums like this that you just can't get from official government websites or even financial advisors sometimes. The real-world experiences people share here - like the spreadsheet tracking tips and the voluntary withholding strategy - are pure gold. I'm definitely bookmarking this thread for future reference as I get closer to making my own Social Security claiming decision. Thanks to everyone who contributed their expertise!

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Donna Cline

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As someone who just went through this decision process last year, I can confirm what others have said - 401k distributions absolutely do NOT count toward the earnings limit. I was worried about the same thing when I started claiming at 65 while still doing some part-time work. One thing I'd add is to consider the timing of when you start your consulting work. Since you're filing in April 2025, SSA will use the monthly earnings test for the remainder of that year (rather than the annual test). This means you can earn up to $1,950 per month ($23,400/12) from April through December without any penalty. This might actually work in your favor if you're planning to ease into consulting gradually. Also, keep in mind that your reduced benefit at 66 will increase slightly each month until you reach full retirement age due to delayed retirement credits. It's not a huge amount, but every little bit helps! Good luck with your transition - it sounds like you've got a solid plan in place.

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Thank you for that clarification about the monthly earnings test! That's a detail I hadn't seen mentioned anywhere else and it could make a big difference in how I plan my consulting work for 2025. The idea that I can earn up to $1,950 per month from April through December rather than having to spread $23,400 over the full year gives me much more flexibility in taking on projects. I really appreciate you sharing that insight along with the reminder about the delayed retirement credits - it's these kinds of practical details that make such a difference when planning this transition. This community has been incredibly helpful!

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