Social Security earnings limit confusion - does 401k interest count toward $23,400 limit when working part-time?
I'm turning 66 next February but planning to file for Social Security in April 2025 (still before my FRA of 67). I've been at my company for 32 years and finally decided it's time for a change, though I'm planning to pick up some consulting work to stay active - maybe 15-20 hours weekly. I understand there's an annual earnings limit of $23,400 for 2025 since I'll be claiming before my full retirement age. My question is about my 401k though - I'm planning to take monthly distributions from my 401k interest/earnings rather than touching the principal. Does the SSA count these 401k distributions as "earnings" toward that $23,400 limit? Additionally, if I accidentally go over the limit in my consulting work, how exactly does the penalty work? I've heard they withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 over the limit, but do they take it all at once or spread it out? Thanks for any help!
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Alexander Evans
Good news! The earnings limit only applies to wages or self-employment income. Your 401k distributions (whether interest, earnings, or principal) do NOT count toward the $23,400 earnings limit. The SSA only cares about actual work income when applying the earnings test. You're correct about the penalty - they withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above the limit. If you do exceed the limit, SSA typically doesn't spread it out - they'll withhold full monthly payments starting in January of the following year until they've recovered the appropriate amount. One thing to consider - if you'll reach your full retirement age in 2026, the earnings limit is much higher for the months of 2026 before your birthday, and then disappears completely once you hit FRA.
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Ruby Garcia
•That's a huge relief about the 401k distributions! I was worried I'd have to calculate the exact interest vs principal on each withdrawal. What about dividends from stocks in my brokerage account? Are those counted toward the earnings limit too?
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Evelyn Martinez
did u call social security to ask them directly? i waited 2 hours on hold last month trying to get a straight answer about my wifes benefits and then got disconnected. TWICE! these gov people dont care about our time
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Benjamin Carter
•I had the same experience trying to sort out an overpayment issue. After weeks of trying to get through, I finally found a service called Claimyr that got me through to an SSA rep in under 20 minutes. You can check it out at claimyr.com - they have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Saved me hours of frustration and I actually got my overpayment issue resolved. Might help with getting a definitive answer about the 401k question too.
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Maya Lewis
I'm in almost the exact situation as you!! I started drawing my SS at 64 last year and do consulting part time. My financial advisor told me that 401k distributions DON'T count as earnings. Only your W-2 or 1099 income counts towards the earnings test limit. But be careful! Keep track of your consulting income and don't go over. I went over by about $4,000 last year by accident (took on an extra project in December) and they're withholding 2 full months of benefits this year to make up for it. It stinks because they don't just take a little each month - they take FULL months until they recover what you owe.
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Isaac Wright
•wait I thought if you make too much money they just make you pay back EVERYTHING you got from Social Security that year????? this is so confusing. The SSA website is impossible to understand and every time I call I get different answers!!
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Alexander Evans
To answer your follow-up question: Dividends, interest, capital gains, pension payments, annuities, IRA distributions, and 401k withdrawals all DO NOT count toward the earnings limit. It's only earned income (wages or self-employment) that counts. And to clear up some confusion in other comments - no, you don't have to pay back EVERYTHING if you exceed the limit. The reduction is $1 for every $2 you go over. So if you exceed the limit by $5,000, they'd withhold $2,500 in benefits. Also worth noting: If 2025 is the first year you receive benefits, SSA uses a monthly earnings test rather than annual for that first year. So you could earn more than the annual limit before you start collecting and it wouldn't affect your benefits.
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Evelyn Martinez
•but they dont tell u when ur going over!!! my neighbor got a letter 8 MONTHS later saying he owed $7k back to ssa because his part time job paid him too much. system is broken
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Lucy Taylor
Im retired and draw SS and the only thing i know is my 401k money doesnt count for the limit. I withdraw every month and they never took away any SS money. Only when i worked at home depot for a while did i have to watch my income. hope that helps
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Connor Murphy
Not to get off track but since we're talking about retirement income, has anyone had problems with their COLA increase this year? Mine was supposed to be 3.2% but my check only went up by like 2.1% when I calculated it. Been trying to reach someone at SSA for weeks with no luck!
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Ruby Garcia
•Thanks everyone for the great information about the 401k distributions! Really helpful. @profile8 - I haven't started receiving benefits yet, but I hope you get your COLA issue resolved.
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Maya Lewis
One more thing I forgot to mention - when you do start claiming, make sure you set aside some money for taxes! Depending on your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits), up to 85% of your benefits could be taxable. Most people don't realize this until tax time and get a nasty surprise. I now have federal taxes withheld directly from my SS payment (you can request this on the SSA website) to avoid a big bill in April.
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Isaac Wright
•WHAT??!! They tax Social Security too??? I thought that was OUR money that WE already paid taxes on!! This country is just determined to take everything from seniors. It's DISGUSTING.
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Benjamin Carter
Let me clear up a few points about the retirement earnings test: 1. For anyone under FRA for the entire year 2025, the limit is $23,400 2. In the year you reach FRA, the limit is $62,640 ONLY for the months BEFORE the month you reach FRA 3. Starting the month you reach FRA, there is NO limit on earnings Regarding withholding: SSA estimates your earnings for the year. If you expect to exceed the limit, they'll withhold benefits proactively. Otherwise, they'll reconcile after the fact when tax data is available, which can result in unexpected overpayments. And yes, absolutely confirmed that 401(k) distributions, regardless of whether they're from interest, earnings, or principal, do NOT count toward the earnings test limit.
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Ruby Garcia
•This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the detailed breakdown! So since my FRA is 67 (born in 1959), and I'm claiming at 66, I'll be under the $23,400 limit for all of 2025, then switch to the higher limit for the months in 2026 before my birthday, then no limit after. Perfect!
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